Well I see both of us are in his sig because he thinks we are stupid or something. That's a good sign for us.
You can't use Mathloom as the epitome of how the average Muslim thinks anymore you can use FTW as the model of how all Americans think. That's the whole problem. Is that everyone defines a group by the few voices they are exposed to and sweeps away more sensible voices.
these at the least <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Pew asked Muslims in 39 countries whether they want sharia to be law of their land. 99% in Afghanistan say yes, 91% in Iraq, 84% in Pakistan</p>— Byron York (@ByronYork) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/674623399075909633" data-datetime="2015-12-09T10:15:26+00:00">December 9, 2015</a></blockquote> <script src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Interestingly without DudeWah's forceful condemnation. In fact he defended Mathloom against DaDakota So not "one of the ****tiest human beings posting on this site". Interesting thread. DudeWah, you are a massive hypocrite. Your faux outrage or massive bias is pathetic.
It's more telling that you and others don't really care to condemn harassment of Muslims and instead attack others for their apparent lack of condemning something else.
No it isn't. I made no condemnations at all. The much larger contrast is going from one guy being "one of the ****tiest human beings" to defending another guy against DaDakota. Anyone with a brain understands that. This is where your struggle lies. Certainly eye opening about DudeWah though. Guy just completely exposed himself.
No this thread isn't about DudeWah. It's about something else and you're digging something up from another thread which is ruining the discussion. You talk about condemnations and yet you don't have anything to say about hate directed towards Muslims. Why is that?
Part of me is skeptical of Bandwagoner's and ATW's black and white moral judgement of Mathloom. FTW is quite a bit more explicit in his hate rhetoric. Maybe I'm being irrational about being skeptical of Bandwagoner's and ATW's judgement of another poster. Can someone link me to the specific thread they are referring to? I don't follow Mathloom enough or engage in debate with him enough to judge his moral character. The few time she has responded to me, he seemed rather rational. What I assuming is Mathloom stated that the Hebdo attacks were immoral and wrong but Hebdo was still wrong for drawing those cartoons but didn't deserve what happened to him which I obviously disagree with but how is that ANY DIFFERENT than 99% of the GOP base stating "The PP attacker is wrong and those people didn't deserve to die.... but PP is still wrong." I wouldn't call the GOP base terrorist sympathizers because of that. However, i'm sure there are some quick trigger liberals that would and do. I don't know. Maybe I'm being too rational.
Can you link me to where I "defended" Mathloom making a statement like that? I'd like to see the full convo rather than a cherry picked quote that's likely out of context. Especially because the only time I usually ever say anything to DD in the D&D is when he says things like "all religion is a plague to the planet." I want a link. Because I don't recall doing that at all. Id never "defend" anyone's comment that any other human should "live in fear" In fact last time I encountered Mathloom was in this thread where I thought it was stupid how he always criticizes the United States: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=268927 Lots of defending I was doing there. When you fail to back up that I "defended" Mathloom saying that they should "live in fear" I fully expect an apology.
I'm gonna help both of you guys out. See the little red box in my quote of DudeWah defending Mathloom? Click that. It will take you to the same thread ATW quoted (and had the same red box) where Mathloom is happy a cartoonist is living in fear.
Here's a post of mine from that thread. Judge for yourselves how much I was "defending" Mathloom's notion that the man should "live in fear" http://bbs.clutchfans.net/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=5011346 As for my responses to DD. It seems like just what I figured. There's been many threads over the years I've responded to him because the guy hates all religion. Any comment I made to him were in relation to that. It's funny that Bandwagoner references that thread to try and paint me in that same boat. Yet, ATW (the guy who brought up Mathloom and I was having a conversation with in that thread years ago) doesn't.
BTW as far as my "bias" goes. I learned years ago after these events kept happening over and over after that incident 6 years ago that Islam is not so innocent. It has many problems and deserves a lot of criticism. Especially so when concerning the corrupt governments of many of the nations that foster extremist thoughts. To this day though, I like the concept of all religion in most every form even though I don't actively practice anything in a traditional way myself. So yeah, my posts have "bias" in the regard that I'm not a part of the (insert religion here) sucks brigade. Further, I still maintain that the hate rhetoric towards a billion people is not helping things. I expect my apology now Bandwagoner.
Expect it all you want. The stark contrast in response from you speaks volumes to me. I remember all of your other posts being rational but this is insane. Yeah DD's thinking is WAY better. Because Mathloom is thinking it is great if a guy lives in fear for the rest of his life for drawing a cartoon.
Are you saying as this thread was 6 years old that your thinking has changed as a result of events? If so, you should have just said that. That isn't hypocrisy, that is learning. I won't offer any apology but I will say well done and congratulations. With your staunch defense of your statements I guess this is not the case though.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...092e4b0f290e5219dd7?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592 Beaten in broad daylight on Saturday by a man who reportedly told him, "I'll kill Muslims." well heres a hate crime.
He's a known racist on this website. In any thread concerning Muslims and a terrorist attack, he's spewing racist broad generalizations about all Muslims. I've called him out on it, but it doesn't really matter. Trolls gonna troll.
I think most of us know that there are at least a few extremists in our midst here. The best we can hope for is that they don't happen to turn out to being the type of extremists that hurt people.
You can keep taking quotes out of context all you want to try and misrepresent a viewpoint and paint it as if I was "defending" Mathloom's views, which never happened. At the time I took offense to DD doing the following: -Repeatedly mentioning how Muslims are uncivilized and barbaric -Saying there's no reason to respect religion; in particular Islam -Posting a picture of a Nazi gathering (frankly, anytime anyone does this I face palm). So yeah, if Mathloom believes that someone should live in fear for his life, he's pathetic like FTW. While DD's thinking is definitely WAY better than his, I still think his views on religion (as I think about any "divisive" rhetoric) are not that great. It's hardly a good thing to call an entire religion uncivilized and barbaric. Really it does not matter. You tried to portray that I was "defending" Mathloom (which I never was) by bringing up something from six years ago. Turns out (not surprisingly) that what you brought up was never me "defending" him at all. Ironically enough for you, the reason you likely made that deflection is to "defend" FTW. Anyone who prescribes to the line of thinking that anyone should live in fear for their life is pathetic. It speaks volumes about you that you are defending FTW against me. Edit: Btw, I think DD is a great guy and one of the nicer people around. This conversation should really have nothing to do with him. I respect his views even if I don't like the ones on religion.
Quote from 5 years ago: Quote from today: Well, that's at least a bit of learning. More than some others can say about themselves. Only took thousands of bombings, mass murders, rapes, Boko Haram, Al Shabab, Al Qaeda, ISIS, Taliban, killings of cartoonists in between. It's not just the governments. Many of the beliefs which lead to killing are mainstream within Islam (such as hate against Jews, intolerance towards satire/humor, thinking it is ok to kill apostates, to subjugate women, to stone adulterers and gays, etc.). We might not like that realization because it is scary, but it's a fact. I assume you have seen the Pew polls. How can you not see the correlation between the statements of Mathloom and the Charlie Hebdo murders? Don't think for a second that Mathloom was a total outlier within Islam with his opinion about whether he thought cartoonists deserve to live in fear for the rest of their lives. Did you see more Muslim outrage on the streets because of the cartoons or because cartoonists got murdered? Be honest to yourself when answering this question. Bandwagoner's observation was completely correct that you judged two similarly outrageous statements totally differently. Two people said that they wanted someone to live in fear for the rest of their lives. You went to great lengths to defend one of them (Mathloom) whereas you were condemning the other in strongest words. Why would you expect an apology? The only redeeming factor in your favor is that there were 5 years between the posts and that you said you have learned in the meantime. I find that respectable, but not the smug attitude to then say you expect an apology. The contrast between your reactions is evident, and Bandwagoner was 100 % right in pointing that out.
