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How much does a regular field goal count for if a PG scores it?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by SamFisher, Oct 23, 2007.

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How much does an FG count for if a PG shoots it?

  1. 2 points

    74 vote(s)
    54.0%
  2. 3 points

    7 vote(s)
    5.1%
  3. Less than above because PGs are not allowed to shoot - play rafer!

    56 vote(s)
    40.9%
  1. King1

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    I'm not involved much in the rest of this but I will tell you Yao had a off night and be comfortable with my statement.

    The rest is that everyone has their preference or favorite. I've already stated that I don't agree with current bashing of James, Rafer or Francis.

    Again, this is not JVG's offense. The comments about James past, Rafer's past, Steve's past go out the window in Adelman's system. That's not to say they don't still possess their positive and negative attributes but it's a different system now. It's pretty easy to break down. For those bashing james, this is what he is. I think he will make some adjustments during the regular season when he is on the floor with TMac and Yao. I highly doubt he will be doing what he did last night unless both of them are struggling (which was the case). Adelman won't let him. He's a great spark off the bench and he has a chance to bring us instant offense. Depending on who's playing the best is who can finish the game. With Rafer, I think we know he's our starter. As long as he sticks to leading and passing the ball, making our offense run effectively and getting people the ball where they need it he'll be perfect. With Steve, I'm going to wait and see. His sore knee and conditioning are both factors. I see the old Steve like many but I also see a guy who's trying out there. If you're expecting Francis to have all his positives from years ago that's unfair. He's not the same player. I think we knew that when we signed him.

    Someone also mentioned our bench as scrubs ( I think the comment was let James play like that with the scrubs or something to that effect) and that's as ridiculous as saying Yao mailed it in. This is one of the deepest Rockets teams in I don't know how long. We start out tough. Let's see how we play against some really good teams in a new system before we pass judgement. Reality is only the regular season will answer any of these debates.
     
  2. Clutch

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    First off, you're right -- Rafer was the wrong fit for JVG and James likely would have been a better fit.

    Secondly, that's not an answer to the question. I'm not asking why Rafer sucked shooting the ball ... I'm asking why not just Rafer, but Yao, T-Mac, Head, Howard and the whole team saw their offense go to crap. Imagine for a minute that Rafer didn't play that series and those guys performed the exact same... the conclusions drawn from the box score watchers would have been hilarious.

    That was 7 games. This is 1. You give a decent explanation on why their offensive efficiency went down the tubes and we should have no problem answering this one.
     
  3. NIKEstrad

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    If Rafer made a floater in the woods, would anybody see it?
     
  4. jopatmc

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    And some folks live in a static environment, frozen in times past. Same broad brush strokes for everything for them.

    :cool:
     
  5. jopatmc

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    ..................

    Boki has really improved, hasn't he?

    :D
     
  6. rocketsregle

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    Mike James must be psychic. How else did he know as soon as he received the tip that in the following minutes his teammates were to have bad offensive games and he would have to keep the team in the game. It was uncanning, from the start, before McGrady or Yao even got a sweat going, he knew ... which explains the immediate and necessary chucking in the first quarter. :cool:

    Mike please give me the lotto numbers for next week so I can win and buy out Les.

    On a serious note, it's worrysome that we bring Mike and Steve in to oust Alston out of the starting lineup and out of the team but all they do this preseason is keep making a case to keep him instead. Nevertheless, Mike James' role should be off the bench.
     
  7. jopatmc

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    Ok, I see you.


    Their offense want to crap because Utah took away McGrady #1, and Yao #2. That left Rafer. And we were hit and sunk. Then 111 starts forcing it because they knew Rafer couldn't get it done. In that case, James would have been the perfect antidote.

    By the way, I think the other problem with Utah was more a defensive problem than an offensive one. I don't think Van Gundy ever made any adjustments against Boozer. He should have had Chuckie on him or he should have tried using Deke on him with Yao on the floor. Boozer was too quick for Yao and Van Gundy never adjusted. That, on top of the fact that we had a small backcourt getting abused by Utah's guards defensively, and the fact that we had nothing offensively to go to outside of 111 killed. Mike James, in my opinion, would have put us over the top in that situation, and I would have been in favor of yanking Rafer for him. In fact, I was screaming from midseason that if we did not make any adjustments to the offense, we were hit and sunk because playoff teams are too good and can key on 2 guys and close out spot up shooters. That's why I was screaming for us to work in the Pick and Roll game with VSpan. It was our only chance to expand our offensive options. Van Gundy kept running Rafer out there for 45 minutes a night.

    We basically lost that series because of Van Gundy's stubbornness and inflexibility.

    Now we've got a coach that is flexible. He proved it last night, letting Steve operate up top, dribbling all the hide off the basketball. And Mike James will give us that extra scoring option when a playoff defense covers us up.

    But the offense is designed to get us layups off ball movement and cutting, not necessarily one on one action with dribble drives, although that is an element of the offense that can work provided teams start to jam the passing lanes on the cutters.

    Rafer's forte is distributing the basketball and moving without the basketball. Mike and Steve's forte is beating their man one on one. I'm confident we will need Mike and Steve. But it should be obvious, right now, Rafer is the better fit with Yao and TMac, .................as much as I don't like to say it.
     
  8. jopatmc

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    Steve and Mike James made Adelman's case last night. They were both out there working their tail off.

    Adelman's way is so much easier. It's the reason he got the job, to make it easier on 111.
     
  9. SamFisher

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    I was screaming for us to run the picket fence with Jimmy Driftwood, or the alley-oop to Benny Anders. When a team comes at you with NBA defense - you hit 'em with non NBA players - they won't know what to do.

    Oh yeah also, IIRC Utah took away Yao and Tracy mostly with single coverage. Yao and Tracy should have torn it up and didn't when they were needed to most. That's a problem with Yao and Tracy more than any supporting plyaers or any coach.
     
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  10. dragonz

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    learn 1st grade math... wait, no, learn basketball rules.... wait no.. learn how to express your feeling,... wait.... learn.... to ..... eat... more rice.....or that.
     
  11. jopatmc

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    Sooooooooooooo, let's trade 'em for Dirk and Kobe??????

    You offer no solutions. All you are doing is bashing the best players we got and trying to incite the forum here.
     
  12. SamFisher

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    My solution (actually not my solution, but the Rockets' solution) for when they can't buy a basket from either of their two passive stars or role players or do anything on offense is to get another guy who can make something out of nothing at a relatively efficient clip like James. This is the solution most were pining for last year - so I am not prepared to throw it down the solution toilet because Mike James came in and pretty much did what was needed in a preseason game last night, and to not anoint Rafer as anything but Rafer, you know, the same guy who went 1-6 his last time in a Rockets uniform on saturday.

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  13. jopatmc

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    Mike James took the first 2 shots last night. Can't buy a bucket??? How could you possibly predict that or even reflectively infer that when he came out of the gate chucking???

    Yes, we wanted a THIRD OPTION.........NOT A FIRST OPTION!!!

    You're nuts.
     
  14. SamFisher

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    Yeah and boy after James took those first two shots, Yao, Scola, Battier, Head REALLY stepped it up.

    And man Tracy was dominant - taking long jumpers and passing off the James.

    They were totally en fuego. It was a like a video game, like in NBA Jam

    Actually no, I was being sarcastic. That is not what happened.

    What really happened was that Mike James taking two shots caused our fragile little flowers Yao and Tracy to withdraw into their protective silken cocoons, because mean old Mike was dominating the ball.

    Luis Scola and Bonzi Wells were personally so discombobulated, they turend the ball over 4 times each.

    Yao was so upset that he couldn't even keep his mind on Stromile Swift, brilliant defensive tactician and psychological warrior, who kept whispering "James is not a pass first PG! your playmaker Rafer will make you better, but he is not here MUHUHAHAHA ALL YOUR ENTRY PASS ARE BELONG TO US!!!" in Yao's ear.

    And it all started with two little shots. Sad.
     
  15. Blake

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    His shots were open. Who cares if he takes the first two shots of the game?

    You act like he went out and hogged the ball the whole time. He didn't. He played withing the new system and got some shots. That's what we need. And I think an accurate assessment of what this team needs is ANOTHER option, and that is what he was.

    I'm with you, Sam
     
  16. B-Bob

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    LOL, at the "3 pts" answers.

    Confusing poll, Sam. Tsk. And you post with all the care and thought that Mike James shoots.
     
  17. jopatmc

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    Anybody that thinks 19 pts on 17 shots is effecient basketball doesn't know what they're talking about. That is almost the same offensive we saw from Rafer last year.

    And if you think Yao and McGrady are wimps, then you don't know bball either. Just because they don't cuss out their mates and pick fights doesn't make them wimps.
     
  18. DaDakota

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    Everyone take a deep breath and say it with me.



    PRE.......SEA.........SON.....

    They are mailing it in now....bored and ready to go.

    DD
     
  19. Dave_78

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    Exactly. There will be nights when our 2 superstars will play like women. They have shown us that and there is no reason to believe they won't do it again. What a luxury it will be to have third scorer who will come in and give us a level of confidence and aggression that our superstars and "glue" guys don't always have.

    What is so bad about having a PG who knows how to score the ball and do it efficiently?
     
  20. Dave_78

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    What about not going to the rim in a game 7 of the playoffs?
     

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