How much better is Dirk's supporting cast than '10 Clevelands?

Dirk's teams have been stacked.

LeBron has been surrounded by SCRUBS his entire career.

 

Guess all that cancels out with his team this year?

Really though, the comparison is not even remotely close. Boo this man!

 

The Mavericks have been gradually stacking their team since 96. Arguably the most talented team 1-12 in the NBA this year.

 

his support crew are all sycophants, really, he needs someone that will just tell him no, instead they all say yes, no matter how ridiculous it might really be.

 

and i have no idea how that ended up in this thread, heh

 

Get LeBron some freaking HELP out there!

 

For one game, and that just so happened to be the game they lost.

 

Based on what? He averaged 2 more points than LeBron, even though LeBron is also the team's unofficial point guard.

Like another poster pointed out Wade did not play that well against the Bulls.

 

Not so sure about that.

C - Tyson Chandler/Brendan Haywoode
PF - Shawn Marion/fill in back up
SF - LeBron James/Butler/Peja
SG - Rodrigo Beaubois/ Stevenson would be gone/Jason Terry
PG - Jason Kidd/J.J. Berea


05-07 Teams

C- Erick Dampier/Desagana Diop
PF - Someone would be brought in/Keith Van Horn
SF - LeBron James/Josh Howard
SG - Jerry Stackhouse/Greg Buckner
PG - Jason Terry/Devin Harris



Cannot rely on this way because the dynamic of the team would change a bit, but LeBron could win with these teams, maybe not a championship. But, he would do as well or better than he did in Cleveland. Kidd and Terry actually would play well with LeBron, especially since Kidd has become a very good 3 point shooter in the later part of his career (he's really improved that aspect of his game). I do not think he or LeBron necessarily need to monopolize the basketball to be effective on offense.


OT: As much as people trash Lebron, he's one of the greatest ever, maybe not top 5 or even 10. But, almost any team would improve substantially with him. If he came to Rockets, I would be so happy. We would be in it, he would compliment this team so well it's not even funny. Pretty much any team

C - Decent Center (someone who can play defense and is an average sized center)/Chuck Hayes
PF - Luis Scola/Jordan Hill/Pattrick Patterson
SF - LeBron James/Chase Budinger
SG - Kevin Martin/Courtney Lee/Terrence Williams
PG - Kyle Lowery/Goran Dragic

Though I would like this team better, if everyone were healthy and not traded away.

C - Yao Ming/Dikembe Mutombo
PF - Luis Scola/Carl Landry
SF - LeBron James/Chase Budinger
SG - Shane Battier/Trevor Ariza
PG - Aaron Brooks/Kyle Lowry

 

Well, no ****, when you add up the stats of ANY team they are going to look similar, because someone has to put up the pts, boards, assists, etc. The way to judge supporting talent is to look at how they do without the players in question, both when he sits out and historically, on other teams. In that regard, it's clear that Bron's teammates have been a massive fail while Dirk's have generally been pretty good. That said, there are two arguments for Dirk:

1) Bron's team was more or less built around his game, with gritty defensive-minded guys and shooters.
2) Dirks's team did play like **** without him this year (although Bron's teammates have always played like **** without him and were historically bad this year.. yah, yah, no 40 y/o crippled Shaq on the team this year, woteva).

I think it's fair to say that both overachieved with what they had. Dirk has had a much more optimistic situation in Dallas, though, with some very capable teammates both this year and in the past. Bron's team really had nowhere to go and for that I can't fault him one bit for bolting.

 

Wade was making huge plays and was dominating the ball. While watching the games, he was the one who was playing better.

It's like Lebron's triple double last night. Stats aren't everything.


In the Bulls series though, Lebron was out of his mind and Wade was very average.

 

LeBron was setting up alot of those plays in that series, as usual. Stats aren't everything.

 

Here is another better question:

How much better is Wade's supporting cast in '06 than in '11?

 

it's better.

remember, shaq was the one getting all the double teams in the finals, as wade faced primarily single coverage throughout the playoffs. if you can draw double teams from the interior, it opens up so much for the perimeter guys. on this '11 team, the double teams are from the perimeter and the paint is being packed, making them primarily a perimeter team.

secondly, they had more veteran leadership with payton and zo, who provide superb defense. zo literally averaged 4 blocks in just like 20 minutes a game in that finals.

and you have pat riley, who would not have bibby out there for more than 3 minutes unless he's making 50% of his shots.

and to the OP's question, dirk's cast is better.
1) he doesn't have to make plays or play defense. all he has to do is score. his responsibilities are nowhere close to what lebron had to do for cleveland
2) dirk is getting single coverage a ton throughout the playoffs. kenny of TNT touched on this many times. he's a great 1-on-1 player who gets to play 1-on-1 b/c dallas has so many 3pt shooters. there's a reason why he's been so efficient all playoffs b/c he has faced primarily single coverages
3) lebron literally had to do EVERYTHING for cleveland, and do them at a high level for them to win.

 

Is Dirk 11 Mavs supporting casts better than Kobe's 10/11 Lakers casts?

 

Not even close, but Dirk is much better than Kobe.

 

What series were you watching? The first game wasn't really close. Lebron made most of the big plays in game 2 to put away the Celtics. The Heat got blown out in game 3. Lebron made the big plays in the 4th quarter of game 4, while Wade took over in the overtime. Lebron single-handedly outscored the Celtics 10-0 to close out game 5.

 

So there's no difference between "playing poorly" by toughing it out under extreme circumstances and just flat-out quitting? You don't think one situation may tend to inspire teammates while the other is more likely to deflate them? Seems pretty obvious to me. We saw first-hand how McGrady's body language whenever he decided to play was negatively affecting his team the year they won a playoff series without him. It was literally night and day.

 

no. b/c one supporting cast doesn't depend 100% on a player, while the other does. simple logic.

I.E game 6 of 08 first round vs utah. tmac busted 28 pts in the first half, exhausting himself with ZERO help. you think that would motivate the guys around him? no it didn't. you can't motivate scrubs. and the lebron's cavs were a bunch of scrubs.

dirk's supporting cast is a veteran bunch with guys who WANTS to carry the load on both ends.

 

Seriously I wish this was a public poll. The cavs are a terrible team they won less than 20 games.