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How many more championships will the Rockets win in your lifetime?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by TheFreak, Jul 27, 2001.

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  1. RocksMillenium

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    That's ok Bingo! [​IMG]

    that's why all this talk of building a "perennial contender" pisses me off, everyone wants to build the jazz, they've been contenders for hte past 7-8 years.

    Well Utah is a bad example because they could have won at least one championship if they could have attracted free agents, but I would rather go down fighting then suck every year. Look at it both ways, for every long time contender that hasn't won world championship like Phoenix and Utah, there are long time contender that DO break through and win a championship, the 1983 Philadelphia 76ers, and the 1999 San Antonio Spurs.


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  2. ZRB

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    Most of you know that I am one of the biggest Hakeem-supporters. With that in mind, I have to say that I do not fully agree with theFreak in this case. I do not want to keep Hakeem on the Rockets because "they won't win championships for decades". I want him to stay because

    a. he could help teach the young Rockets the art of playoff basketball;

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    b. it wouldn't be right seeing him retire in another uniform.

    I believe that the Rockets have done a great job of rebuilding, and that they are ready to contend NOW. Hakeem would help them win in the playoffs, and teach them to win after he retires.

    You have to build the team in order to have a chance at winning, and keeping Hakeem would provide the Rockets with valuable experience in the playoffs. If the Rockets learn how to win from a winner, they will end up winning themselves. It is always tough to win the first championship. Once that has been achieved, it becomes easier to re-build and win again. That is why teams like the Lakers and Celtics have won tons of titles. Winning the first one provided not only the players, but the franchise with valuable winning experience.


    Now that the Rockets know the formula to success, they are trying to win again. But, part of that formula is keeping past champions on board and using them to teach the next generation to win.

    Keep Hakeem dammit! For the good of the franchise!

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  3. TheFreak

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    Actually, it's nothing like that at all. I can confidently say that, statistically, the odds are against the Rockets winning a championship anytime soon. Can you dispute that?

    It's just as likely that we'll be no closer to a championship 5 years from now than we are today. Knowing that, you have the option of Hakeem retiring a Rocket (unless he doesn't want to), and us not winning a championship, or Hakeem retiring somewhere else, and us not winning a championship. I'll take the former.

    Being a professional sports fan is all about sentiment. I beg to differ.

    Rudy has been Hakeem's coach for a little over 9 years I believe. Had he been coaching somewhere else his record would be just as bad as Houston's.

    Glad you have it all figured out. In the modern era of the NBA, there have only been 7 champions in 22 years. You somehow think the Rockets are guaranteed a title? Can you attribute our lone championships to anything other than a once-in-a-lifetime player? Are there any once-in-a-lifetime players on our roster right now? Is there a Shaq, a Bird, a Magic, a Jordan on our roster? The best players win championships. The new CBA is designed so that the best players stay with their teams -- which means parity in the league is not going to increase. Players win championships, not organizations. The Bulls sucked before Michael Jordan, and they suck after Michael Jordan. The reason they won titles is because of a once-in-a-lifetime player, not because of the organization. The Celtics drafted Larry Bird -- they've sucked ever since he left. What have the Pistons done before and after their brief run? Not much. Well-run organizations like the Rockets will stay competitive -- look at Phoenix, Portland, etc. But the teams that win titles are the ones with the very special players on their roster. How else do you explain there only being 7 champions in 22 years? It wasn't the organizations, it was the players. We were lucky enough to have one of those players. I say let's keep him and realize just how lucky we were/are. Let the story end the right way.

    I'd rather have glory days to reminisce over than be the Utah Jazz or Phoenix Suns.

    Almost all our success is because of Hakeem though. All those playoff appearances in the past 17 years and finals appearances were during his time here. The organization was actually rather inept at surrounding him with the proper supporting cast.

    I'd say that's definitely true right now. But the franchises don't win the titles, the players do. Again, look at Phoenix. Great organization, always competitive -- they just haven't been fortunate enough to have one of the truly great players play for them. We have been. Let's respect that.

    My prediction is not ridiculous. The percentages are behind it.

    What trap are we falling into? Francis, Griffin, Mobley...what price are we paying? We've got 3 great young players. The Celtics suck because they draft bad, they make bad moves, and they don't have good coaches. Not because they hung on to Bird too long.
     
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  4. Bingo

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    The Freak, finally someone who lives in the REAL WORLD and not fantasy basketball land for bored loser Rocket fans. Truth is we'll probably not win another title under this squad. How many great young "dynamic" teams like our current rox have been prematurely dubbed as the next Bulls or something. Well probably 1 oout of 100 or 200 make it to the championship. I hope we do, but the odds are so against us it ain't even funny.
    The differfence, that most of you people on this thread don't understand, was that we had the best player in basketball for two years. I don't think Steve isone of those, yet at least.
    Also, who's the r****d that said no one thought LA would blow up like it did. PLEASE!!!MORON!!!! Everyone and their mother knew Shaq would pile up rings once he grew into himself,and the acquisition of Kobe signaled the arrival of a new dynasty, something the Rockets never were (sorry, sad but true, deal with it!), so don't tell me Shaq and Kobe were this huge surprise no one expected to win. WHERE DO YOU LIVE BUDDY!!!

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  5. TheFreak

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    The point of this exercise is merely to show some respect for our championships. They are taken for granted way too much around here, IMO. I'm not saying don't try to win, sheesh. If you think that then you're just totally missing the point.

    How so? I said that championships are won by players, not organizations, right? Aren't the Celtics one of the best examples of that? What have they done since Bird? Who do you think was more responsible for their success in the 80s, Bird, or their management?

    With the new CBA, the NBA is trying to make it easier to hang onto big-name free agents. Guys aren't going to pass up that extra 30 mil that they can get from their own team. See Chris Webber.

    See the title of the thread. How many more championships will the Rockets win in your lifetime. And are you assuming everyone that reads the board is young and verile like yourself? [​IMG] I know BobFinn doesn't have 50+ years to wait. [​IMG]

    I used the period from 1980 to now because a) I don't know what the heck happened before that, and b) That period denotes "the Modern NBA". It would probably have been more accurate for me to have started my comparison in 1990, than pre-1980. After all, that period more closely resembles what we have now and what the future will look like. The NBA was nothing before the 80s...why use that as a basis for any comparison? And why are dynasties so unprecedented? We're talking about a 22 year span here. Basically once the NBA really took off, we've had nothing but "dynasties".

    I would say that a team will win 6 of 8 before the Rockets win one, yes. What do you think has a better chance of happening, the Lakers winning 4 more championships in the next 6 years, or the Rockets winning one during the Francis era? I know that probably doesn't satisfy the requirements for the logical "if not x, then y, but maybe z, oh, but what about a" formula you use, but hey, it's the best this beer drinking Rockets fan could do.

    Huh? I said the best players win championships, not the organizations. If the best players end up in LA on more than one occasion, I can't do anything about that -- I can't help it if "a = b but not c and maybe x/y doesn't come out to z" in that case. All I know is what I've said -- the best players win the championships. The question is what are the odds that the Rockets are going to end up with one or more of those players anytime soon?

    First, yes, Isiah was quite a bit better than Murph (probably not in broadcasting though...oh wait, yes he is). Second, I don't think the Pistons had a once-in-a-lifetime player. But they still had a brief period of greatness that can only be attributed to those players (and coach). What did they accomplish before that? What about after? Can't there ever be exceptions? Don't they fit into the "logic formula"?

    I don't think there is that much parity--how many teams do you think have a legitimate shot at a title next year? I'd say no more than 3. And why are you talking about football? That's a whole new ballgame.

    I don't think the Rockets agree with you. Do you see any other 38-year-old players they are out there trying to acquire?

    I plan to, thanks.

    MManal -- thanks, I'm here to entertain. And if you think I don't think teams should try to improve, you totally missed the point. All I'm asking is that teams and fans recognize their good fortune, which the Rockets obviously do.

    Yes and Yes.

    I love you all! Thanks for your time.


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  6. heypartner

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    Or maybe "sentiments" are highly valued around here and that is why we talk about reliving the championships again. You state nowhere in this post that you have sentiments for reliving the championships. On the contrary, you just state we will never experience it again, thus crushing our dreams.

    TheFreak, you are just a sentimental fool like many of us. Quit turning your sentiments into long posts of logic, when all you need to do is say:

    "I want Hakeem to stay for sentimental reasons and nostalgia."

    You are expending too much energy hiding behind logic, so that we don't see you wipe that tear of joy away when reminescing about a Dream days.

    It's OK TheFreak. You can have illogical sentimental reasons for wanting to resign Hakeem. The only reason to say you want Hakeem otherwise are the very same Achebe and ZRB reasons state over and over (same for me, oeilpere, and many others), that is, because you think it will help as compete better as a team, now and in the future.

    TheFreak is Mr. sentimental. Admit it. [​IMG]
     
    #46 heypartner, Jul 29, 2001
  7. RocksMillenium

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    The championships aren't taken for granted, that is why everyone is excited about the rebuilding process. But to keep Dream just to honor the championships makes no sense whatsoever. The organization and fans pay honor to that all the time. Why don't people go ask Dream why he won't take a contract ot STAY with the Rockets. If Dream leaves because he wants more money, at the expense of losing key players, then that is on him, not the organization.

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    #47 RocksMillenium, Jul 29, 2001
  8. SaFe

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    This discussion is just down-right lame. Because the probability of us winning again is small, we ought to just hold on to the past (hakeem) at all cost, even if it might cost us the future. Then what is the point of playing the game at all, we might as well just play the lotery #@)$*#@)(

    Every year you put the best team you can on the floor, and let them have a chance to win. You guess the chances of your team winning the championship by watching how well it plays, NOT looking in the past to find out when was the last time the team won a championship, and try to get a probability or whatever-the-hell you trying to do. I thought a person with as much post as you do would understand at least that much.

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  9. Sonny

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    I am with you Skully.


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    #49 Sonny, Jul 29, 2001
  10. Rockets_Texans

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    its a day before 2012 suckaaassss. 10 1/2 yrs later!
     
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  11. Jontro

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    It depends if I find the fountain of youth or not. That way we'll at least get 1 more ring in my infinity life time.
     
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  12. Roxs-Redemption

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    As many as they can.
     
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  13. xAliceInChains

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    I was 12 when this thread was made. Wow.
     
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  14. roflmcwaffles

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    Sick bump. So far his prediction holds true, let's hope within the next 5 years he is proven wrong.
     
    #54 roflmcwaffles, Jan 1, 2012
  15. Old Man Rock

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    It's looking bleak. :eek:
     
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    1, maybe 2.
     
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    The world will end this year, so....one. ;)
     
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    I was 9!
     
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  19. Jontro

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    Damn I didn't realize this thread was an uber necrobump.

    I didn't find out about this site until about 2-3 years after this thread was created.
     
    #59 Jontro, Jan 1, 2012
  20. Old Man Rock

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    WOW and I was already OLD MAN ROCK then. Soon I wll have to change my name to DEAD MAN ROCK
     
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