How many games do you need to make your decision on trading/or not Kevin Martin?

Really, Lee can't score to save his life or even create for himself. Lee is Battier 2.0 without the consistent 3pt shot. Kevin Martin still commands double teams most night- Lee-Never

 

It's fine to want to trade Kevin Martin with the current outlook on the team's likely chances of contending in the near future barring a major trade. The thing is you have to consider what you are going to get back for him. Teams that are going to have high draft picks and are trending towards well below .500 seasons are not going to be looking to give away future picks to get him. I'm sure he would be an attractive piece for some teams that are already contending, but what is that team going to send back to you that you want? A low first rounder and some stiff to make the salarys match? The Rockets have already shown they are willing to trade him with the recinded Gasol trade, but you need a trade partner that wants him and has something you want in return. Martin may not be a star player, but he will still outperform most top 10 draft picks from the last 12 years.

Lets look at top 10 picks since 2000 that Kevin Martin is as good or better than:

2000 draft (9 players roughly equal or worse than Martin): 2 Stromile Swift, 3 Darius Miles, 4 Marcus Fizer, 5 Mike Miller, 6 DerMarr Johnson, 7 Chris Mihm, 8 Jamal Crawford, 9 Joel Przybilla, 10 Keyon Dooling
2001 draft (7 players roughly equal or worse than Martin): 1 Kwame Brown, 2 Tyson Chandler, 4 Eddy Curry, 6 Shane Battier, 7 Eddie Griffin, 8 DeSagana Diop, 9 Rodney White
2002 draft (8 players roughly equal or worse than Martin): 2 Jay Williams, 3 Mike Dunleavy, Jr., 4 Drew Gooden, 5 Nikoloz Tskitishvili, 6 Dajuan Wagner, 7 Nenê Hilario, 8 Chris Wilcox, 10 Caron Butler*
2003 draft (5 players roughly equal or worse than Martin): 2 Darko Milicic, 7 Kirk Hinrich, 8 T. J. Ford, 9 Michael Sweetney, 10 Jarvis Hayes
2004 draft (9 players roughly equal or worse than Martin): 2 Emeka Okafor, 3 Ben Gordon, 4 Shaun Livingston, 5 Devin Harris, 6 Josh Childress, 7 Luol Deng, 8 Rafael Araújo, 9 Andre Iguodala, 10 Luke Jackson
2005 draft (6 players roughly equal or worse than Martin): 2 Marvin Williams, 5 Raymond Felton, 6 Martell Webster, 7 Charlie Villanueva, 8 Channing Frye, 9 Ike Diogu

2006 draft (8 players roughly equal or worse than Martin): 1 Andrea Bargnani, 3 Adam Morrison, 4 Tyrus Thomas, 5 Shelden Williams, 7 Randy Foye, 8 Rudy Gay, 9 Patrick O'Bryant, 10 Mouhamed Sene
2007 draft (9 players roughly equal or worse than Martin): 1 Greg Oden, 3 Al Horford, 4 Mike Conley, Jr., 5 Jeff Green, 6 Yi Jianlian, 7 Corey Brewer, 8 Brandan Wright, 9 Joakim Noah, 10 Spencer Hawes
2008 draft (6 players roughly equal or worse than Martin): 2 Michael Beasley, 3 O. J. Mayo, 6 Danilo Gallinari, 7 Eric Gordon, 8 Joe Alexander, 9 D. J. Augustin
2009 draft (9 players roughly equal or worse than Martin): 2 Hasheem Thabeet, 3 James Harden, 4 Tyreke Evans, 6 Jonny Flynn, 7 Stephen Curry, 8 Jordan Hill, 9 DeMar DeRozan, 10 Brandon Jennings

2010 draft: Too early to evaluate, but no first year all stars or all nba selections.

So in 10 years from 2000 to 2009, there are 76 out of 100 top 10 picks who are at best roughly equal or in many cases clearly worse than Kevin Martin. There are maybe 5 or 6 names on the list that you could argue are slightly better than Kevin and a few are young and may improve to be better than Kevin in the future. Still I would say over 60% of them are worse than Martin and will never be as good as him and the other 40%, most are roughly equal or just slightly better. None of them are MVP candidates, or what I would consider franchise players at this point. So if you think that changing GMs and trading for a top 10 pick is likely to get you a better team, you have to realise that most GM's top 10 picks have not been as good as Martin is.

I am fine with trading Martin or anyone else if it will improve the team, but I don't see many rebuilding teams looking to give up high draft picks to get him and I don't think you try to dump him just for the sake of getting rid of him. So the question becomes what is the minimum trade you would accept, knowing you would have to take some salary back and couldn't JUST trade him for draft picks, and the likelyhood you are going to get a top 5 pick for him is virtually zero?

 

Wait a second....you advocated us acquiring him in the first place! I and others said he was too one dimensional.

Oh brother. Good grief!

Ok...look...the dude is actually shooting two point shots at a HIGHER percentage than last year....a sign that it's just his 3 point shot that is dragging down his performance and that's likely to correct itself.


However I think we should trade Martin because he keeps us mediocre and he is more like the 3rd star you add to get over the top rather than the one you have early on. He needs to be shipped to a team that needs a scoring guard.

 

i say we keep him but dont play him in the 4th. Trade him when a logical trade proposal comes around. Obviously if one comes up tomorrow, he's out of here. Guy has no heart or desire to win.

 

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I would have supported a trade before the season even started.

 

morey will most likely wait for the best deal. he's not just going to trade martin for the first deal he gets. like a previous poster said, i think draft night would get us our most valuable player for kevin martin.

 

I agree with you. He isn't playing like a first or second option right now. If we had a Dwight Howard in the post and a Blake Griffin right next to him in the post, that would take a lot of pressure off of him to score big. It would also leave him wide open for threes because of double teams. Kevin Martin is better fit on a team like that. I just don't think he can handle the pressure of being the go to guy down the stretch. KINDA like Chris Bosh with the Heat, it's mostly Lebron and Wade driving to the paint and that leaves Bosh open for a jumper. Kevin Martin even said it himself, he came here to play with Yao.

 

Lets trade K Mart and bring Turbo back (the mascot)

 

It's the new system. He's gone from the no.1 guy to 3rd. Even then he's still putting up the points.

That said I feel this team needs to make up for the height at the wing positions. I want Batum on this team.

The Rockets could use SG-SF combinations of Batum-Chandler, Budinger-Batum, or Lee-Batum.

 

I agree with your statement about value.
But I believe he will be a hotter commodity at the trade deadline this year than he will at draft time.

injuries are already starting to mount, and some team on the brink will be looking for a gunner.

 

just taking a quick look at salaries, if you are going to make a move for batum, it would have to be in a deal involving someone other than Martin.

they are just too far apart on $

 

The Blazers don't need Martin. It would have to be seperate trades. I think with Martin the Rockets can get pieces the Blazers would want.

 

If Scola is traded sure.

Trade both or none imo. Lee and Pat will help help more on defense anyway

 

the other option is to sign him outright in the offseason

just as a hypothetical for Clutchfans, outside of Minnesote, who are the 3 most natural trade partners for Martin at the deadline?

 

Chicago and Minny seem like two of the few logical places that he seems to fit into and where we can get something of value for him.

 

doubt we'd get anything in return but he'd be handy in Minny, they're 2 position stinks.

 

trade him at the deadline

 

If K-Mart's value never increases and the Rox cant get anything good in a trade, they should just amnesty him. I know that would be a very unpopular move here on clutchfans but once you realize you made a mistake, you must correct it. Trading for Martin was a mistake whether Yao was healthy or not. Now its just time to move on.

 

Kind of a meaningless question. There is no answer to this question. Whether you trade him today, tomorrow, or the day after or 3 months from now depends on what's being offered, no?

There is no artificial deadline at which time you make a determination.

 

I did want him, but now that the team has changed, I want him gone.

Got to review every single year.

DD