How low can Battier go?

i think it is. when i go by who are the best defensive teams in the L, i go by that. and usually the best defensive teams have very low fg% allowed.

 

apparently some don't read my whole post, where i mentioned i could go ON AND ON down the list, like i just had in a previous post, so 3 was all that i referenced in that reply only.

apparently some dont read a whole thread before trying to counter certain arguments, if you have you would have seen where i mention shane has at least 3 or 4 tip rebounds most games, not he TRIES to tip the rebound, but he ACTUALLY does. Others may have used "tries" to word their argument, but i've maintained he succesfully tips it to a teammate throughout my argument and this thread.

 

It's ok, i too get bored in classes where I don't understand the subject being explained...

 

man i like how we don't go to any player for more than 2 possessions in a row, makes it hard to double anybody.

 

and your post would be a great one if this was a Posey versus Shane thread, but it's not. You have to take into consideration how they fit on the team. Just because he fit with boston and miami and helped them doesn't mean he'll help houston more than shane. That's why i pointed out he falls short when it comes to directing guys on D. Those teams needed a defender who xcould come in and do his job, just be a defender, they had guys like Dwade, Zo, and KG to direct the D. Who does houston have to do that? Shane and Deke. Deke is a tough one to depend on because he doesnt play much. So most of it falls on Shane. Yes you could argue Ron as well, but considering he may not stick around here you can't just say Bye Shane we aready have ron....so if you replace shane with Posey here, posey will do his job, defend and hit 3, slash, etc, but the defense overall would drop because he doesn't direct/correct the others. So the fit is better with Shane.

You have to remember value isn't black and white in the league. Just because LA got Pau for Kwame and scrubs, does that mean his value is fixed at one bad backup center +scrubs?? That would mean houston could sign Loren Woods, then trade him and dorsey, maybe a late pick, for Pau. you think A would agree? Of course not. He's more valuable to La than he was to memphis. LA is contending for rings, memphis was trying to save money. Same applies to Ron. Sacramento wanted to get some good young talent and/or expiring contracts. Sacramento didn't have full control of determining Ron's value, the league did also because others wouldn't give up equal value because of his reputation. That's why Houston got him "cheap".

We saw shane as equal value of an 8th pick because we needed that kind of player to content, had it not been for injuries, it may have worked out perfectly. As for Posey, you're assuming all houston had to do was make an offer and Posey would absolutley accept it. Not so, first there's the issue of money. Posey held out most of the time looking for big money. Second, he held out to make sure he went to some of the top contenders. Houston's injury issue leaves their contender status questionable. Posey wasn't going to jump at that.

 

shane should paint himself blue

 

Same arguments, repeated ad nauseum. Battier shot 48% from three in the playoffs last season - what kind of stepping up were you hoping for? He's not the reason we lost.

Bruce Bowen is seeing his minutes decline because he's 37 years old. Battier is 30. 30 is still basketball prime, whereas nobody plays big minutes at 37.

I understand you're upset at the price we gave up to get Shane. I get it. By your metrics, Barkley was a mistake because he cost us Sam and Robert. You probably thing Quitten was a great deal since he was free. But look past the cost, and see what the guy brings to the table. He's a unique player, and really a joy to watch if you're a fan of smart play and team defense. Enjoy him for what he does, while he's here, because you'll miss Shane Battier someday when he's gone.

 

He is in a Major~~~~~~~~~~ slump

 

Good question Kwame. Just how low can he go? Hmm... Around 35 minutes a game. Maybe 37 or 38 in the playoffs. That sounds pretty good.

 

Battier is becoming a non-factor at both end. His +/- is ZERO today. The stats show he is a scrub, meanwhile, what the stats dont show is his terribleness.

 

You failed to reply to what i REALLY wrote. I didn't write Posey wouldn't fit here, i said you have to consider HOW they fit. And i wrote i didnt think posey would be btter THAN shane. I never said he wouldn't have fit in general. He'd definitely have a place here, but we're discussing a straight up swap, so it's not just about him fitting here, it's about replacing everything shane brought.

I also happen to love Posey's game, as well as the game of many other players, i'd argue for posey just as much as battier if i thought it made sense, in this case, it doesnt.

LOLOLOLOLOL My point is invalid because Posey fit in with 3 different teams??? Did you really read my post? Seriously. I answered why that was VERY WELL. Read it again, i'm not wasting my time re-writing it.

A disturbing trend? Posey is hopping around to the BEST CONTENDERS, who already have a great shot at the finals, and shane has been on a sorry ass team and one full of injuries and you're blaming shane for those two things?? You're implying shane failed to take teams anywhere while posey has, but BOTH of them ride the coattails of the true stars of those teams, they go wherever the star take them, all they have to do is help out, there's no way to know if shane would come through in the finals because he's never been there, and he's not the reason for that.

You keep suggesting Shane is going to be the downfall of the rockets in the postseason. Big flaw in that argument. For one, you're sticking to the post season because houston hasn't had any success there since shane has been here. You would never dare to say they would have trouble in future REGULAR SEASONS because they have done very well in the past with him during the season, which goes against your argument. The flaw is that there's no proof that shane has been the deciding factor in their past playoff busts. you could argue he didn't help as much, or he was one of the reasons, but considering there were BIGGER reasons, some which have been solved since, it's illogical to conclude shane must leave for houston to succeed int he future.

You still dont get the idea of value not being fixed, you definitely didn't read my post entirely. how can you compare what the rockets gave up for maxwell and elie OVER TEN YEARS AGO, to what Houston gave up for shane? While we're at it, let's compare what MJ made in the 93-94 season, like 4 million, OH NO! We're greatly overpaying tmac and Yao, they both make over 10 mil and MJ, the greatest every only made 4 mil over ten years ago, the rockets are getting robbed!! How dare Yao and tmac take more money than the greatest ever to play ball!!

 

You got that mixed up, we weren't suppose to win now BECAUSE OF battier...he wasn't the one leading us, we got him because we WANTED to win now with Yao and mtac and needed role guys. and what happened to that? what happened to THAT? Did you hit your head after we traded for shane and woke up last week? You must have because you missed injuries to our SUPERSTARS.

I'm not sure why u dont get that Battier is LISTENING TO THE COACH. He hovers around the 3pt line because that's where he's wanted, no because he's afraid to go anywhere else. Yes i know he's limited and even if Adelman let him do what he wants then he'd probably still spend some time parked over there, but y'all complain because he's there all the time, but that's by design. I can't make that any clearer. It's the same reason why Brooks looks for his shot before setting up Yao. If you didn't know it was Adelman who told him to do that, you'd assume he was a ball hog and have a different image of him right?

 

That is what the team wants. Morey has said it in interviews. The team's number 1 option in the half court is Yao. Battier's role is basically to space the floor for Yao and help get him the ball. That's not all he does, of course, but that is his primarily role on the offensive end and it has been ever since he got here.

Why do you think Adelman has started Battier over more talented and multi-faceted offensive players like Bonzi Wells and Ron Artest if he is such a drain on the offensive end? Since Adelman became coach, his primary concern has been making us a better offensive team. And yet, he continues to play Battier in the starting lineup for 30+ minutes every game. Consider that.

 

How ironic, when everyone else has been fairly reasonable to your rants.

So how do you think Rudy Gay will do in the playoffs this year? psssst...it's a trick question...

And where's that Excel chart for Battier's activities? Don't tell me doing something simple like that intimidates you, sounds like all your talk has that intangibles feel to it and when asked to do a simple task you'd rather drift out to the 3 point line and avoid the possibility of your rants getting exposed. Sounds familiar lol.

 

I still think it is good to keep Battier in the lineup, however he is not worth 7million.

 

Phew. Finally. Everytime someone replied to me during this thread they always had countered my argument in one way or another or brought up a point worth discussing. But you have done neither, so I can finally stop replying. Thank you.