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How is Tilman Fertitta ownership different than Les Alexander ownership?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Jan 15, 2021.

  1. the11mingdynasty

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    Smart money vs. dumb money. Les is smart, he is very good at what he does outside of sports ownership, he is able to hire the right people who are subject matter experts and let them go to work. That is what a good leader should do. You can not tell people to shut up and listen when they are much more qualified than you are (Morey). Another quality of a good leader is being able to admit when you were wrong, Tilman is arrogant, and he will never do this when it comes to the Rockets.

    His son is not the most qualified person to be even in that seat, and that creates a horrible culture. You immediately build animosity in your company when you have people who have spent their entire life trying to go to an elite school, get relevant work experience, proved to be successful, and then are mixed with someone who does not belong there simply because they are a family member.

    I have worked in numerous firms when this always becomes an issue and ends up resulting in the people who deserve to be there leaving and then you are stuck with the people who don't belong and the ones who aren't good enough to find a better job. It is fine to have family members work with you, but introducing them as the future GM when they are 20 years old is a huge mistake. Les knew owning a sports franchise was different from his other businesses, he didn't try to apply the same methods to the Rockets as his other businesses.

    In my opinion if you buy a sports franchise, be sure you don't think you are the smartest guy in the room. Unless you are Jerry West and spent 60 years in basketball, you should not feel this way. If you are really good at one thing, it will not always transfer, Doctors who try to manage their own stock portfolios tend to perform the worst for this reason.

    Tilman's biggest downfall is he is a poor communicator. Didn't communicate with WB and Harden about his trump ties, didn't communicate with MDA so he quit on the plane.
     
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    Something tells me if this team wins a championship with Tillman in the next 5 years he will suddenly become loved...kind of like Crane who they all hated for non-baseball reasons.
     
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    He could easily get rid of Wall and take back 75% or whatever the amount is needed to make the trade work - if he was truly cheap. He also didn’t have to sign Christian Wood.

    Let me ask you this...how trash contracts has Morey handed out? Why does he take ZERO responsibility on this board? The reason we are sitting with Wall’s contract is because of the trash contract Morey gave Paul after the stupid trade where he gave up way too many assets for a player who already said he wanted to come here. Or how about Gordon’s new contract? Asik? Ryan Anderson? Capela? Hell someone name me someone he brought in besides Harden that was on a VALUE contract? Tucker is crying because he looks around at all the stupid ass contracts and money the scrubs around him make and wants similar money...in case y’all haven’t figured that out yet.
     
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    It’s absolutely amazing people don’t understand the last concept there - you can’t make money by putting a consistently trash product out on the court, especially when the Rockets are the third favorite team in Houston in all reality. Also don’t understand this board’s infatuation with Morey - he’s a dork that consistently got ramrodded during contract negotiations with agents.
     
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    It starts with personality. Tillman is mostly concerned with Tillman’s Celebrity. That led him to buying an NBA team he obviously couldn’t afford or should have had other partners in.

    Narcissists also always seem to be all about Nepotism so their name is deified in the long term infrastructure. Putting his kid in charge is a bad idea we haven’t even seen metastasized.

    So we can go deal by deal and see the Tillman angle but in the end it starts and ends with Tillman’s personality and narcissism to be mostly concerned about his celebrity.
     
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    we need a sticky thread explaining the title of Tilmans book so that people can stop making this ill-informed quip about his management style...
     
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    @Clutch i think you had something in mind when you started that thread. Will we hear your (way more informed) opinion on this in the next podcast?
     
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    Here’s the facts that fans don’t want to hear....most new owners start out on a tight budget for the first few years to help recoup the losses from paying millions/billions for a sports team. After debts are paid off and revenues start coming in they loosen their pocketbooks. Sadly, we haven’t reached that point because of a double edged sword....due to Covid-19, no fan revenues nor other income from his restaurants/casinos. We are fortunate to still have players like Gordon and Wall, due to the financial downturn. This is also why we are trading for expiring contracts and draft picks. Tilman is doing what he can to be financially viable during this severe business downturn. He definitely wants to win, but it will be on his timetable when his other income producers are back to normal. Until then, expect the next move to be using one of our first round picks to get rid of Eric Gordon.
     
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    I'm not a Tilllman fan. He enjoys the attention, already a TV personally. That's fine.

    The real difference is apparently Tillman's wealth isn't on solid standing and it maybe affecting financial decisions with the team.
     
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    Its funny, but the NBA in a way belongs to the media and narrative. Its literally turning into the WWF, I was watching the Nets game yesterday and couldn't help but think that Orlando was just there to showcase Harden/Durant. They wont even be close to having a chance, no one will with the exception of these four teams Nets/Bucks-Lakers Clippers. That's it.

    San Antonio was the last true champion that drafted players and relied on a great system to win it all.

    With that said Morey kept exchanging pieces until he ran out, destroyed the team and left. Although, I will say it probably wouldn't have mattered. Players are deciding on where they want to go and win championships with. GM's are only there for the contracts and procedures. Who will the stars pick next? Let me guess, Miami? if Las Vegas gets a team I have no doubt that will be the new up and coming super star team... I doubt a bunch of future stars will all decided to come to Houston, its time to draft and develop ala San Antonio.
     
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    Alexander had better liquidity and not in serious danger of bankruptcy being over leveraged in an economic downturn that cuts into his primary source of revenue.
     
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    Clippers were shitty for years yet profitable, and at the end sold for a billion+. You literally can make money with a trash product in the NBA and professional sports in general
     
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    Tilman has shown his face in the media a lot more than Les and when the team can't back it up with a ring, it's embarrassing.

    Nothing worse than an owner who makes a lot of empty promises on tv for all to see. I had a lot of faith at the beginning in Tilman because his first promise to Rockets fans was to solve the lower bowl being empty on camera problem... well before covid19, that was still a big issue and embarrassing.

    He did that thing where he "upgraded" 2 fan seats per game to the lower bowl and it's still empty af. Our lower bowl on the side where the camera shoots should always be full to give the impression we have good fans, instead because it's always so empty it's a bad look.
     
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    Once an owner forces a GM’s hand and takes a subpar trade; the owner has no conscientious right to criticize the GM. It only proves the owner was a weak poker player and flinched.

    The Astros did the same to Luhnow with the Zack Grenke trade, they forced the trade that Luhnow was not trying to agree to, but ownership meddled.
     
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    The question I keep coming back to is has Tilman's heavy handed nature destroyed his reputation as much as "Tommy Boy" has the Texans. This could be the darkest era in Houston sports.

    I have hopes, the Rockets can still steady the course. Stone is doing a tremendous job and it's still one of 32 NBA teams. Tilman has been much quieter since this all began and he could be learning to keep his mouth shut.

    Them boys on kirby look to have completely jumped the shark

    @Nook interested in your opinion here. I think I know, but not certain.
     
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