Yeah, you caught me mid-edit. In D&D land, there is little civilized discussion and plenty of gratuitous poo flinging.
That's an answer I can respect. All the fighting and name calling and finger pointing and bashing has just really seems unnecessary.
I know, but I was just hoping to plant a seed of healing in all this fertilizer. There's now way I could put this topic in the hangout, and maybe this thread needs to be read but some in the D&D.
I can reword my original statement to be less triggery. Time heals. It also relieves disgruntled and knowledge-deficient people who tend to be of a lighter skin tone, watch Fox News channel more than the average person, and want to Make America Great Again, of their worldly obligations. *tips fedora*
Go back and read some of the 2008 and 2012 threads for a quick refresher on how some folks perceived the end of the world coming with the election of Obama. Granted, we didn't have the toxic Trump factor but many doomsayers envisioned similar "sad times" ahead. Then the party of NO did everything it could to make it happen. Here we are...here we will be in 4 more years.
No healing was done with Obama in office. Not a shot at Obama or the GOP, but from society in general. Our society has failed to heal, and ALL our leaders have failed to help the county heal. Our leaders have been balls out pushing their agendas for their parties and society has followed in their footsteps. Our county has gone where our elected leaders have led us.
The dangerous, divisive rhetoric only comes from one party primarily, the republicans. They first spent an obscene amount of time debating Obama's birth place, then went on a smear campaign against Hillary. Trump took it to a new level when he started outright insulting disabled, hispanics, blacks, and women. When democrats found it preposterous that many people still defended Trump and would go as far as vote for him in the election, that's when we started sending vitriol back .
20 years ago is when I first noticed it, when Newt started a full out assault on Bill Clinton. Dems returned the favor when W got elected. And then the Repubs did everything in their power to **** Obama over. Now that I think about it, maybe the tipping point was Iran-Contra. The Repubs were prepping Ronnie for sainthood, when all hell broke loose. The Dems did not shoot for impeachment (which was warranted) but instead went for a death by 1000 cuts.
Once the finger pointing starts, the poo flinging comes soon after. This thread is not about that. It's about how we as a country and society heal.
I don't really see it as a problem. Yeah, we have division and anger and argument. That's what the human race is like. Things may be a bit more heated now than before but will settle a bit as many people disengage themselves again from politics. I don't see this political environment as much different from the '60s (which I wasn't around to see) -- which we lived through and were the better for it. I'm actually hoping the conflict, especially around BLM and around the middle class in the new economy, will help us move forward the way conflict on Vietnam and Civil Rights helped us move forward back then.
I would disagree with you that Obama did not do his best to heal this country. Unfortunately, we have a particular political party fueled by a propaganda spewing network that refused to consider compromise or healing as a viable option.
Pretty much this. Our politicians are not interested in working together. In a world where reality TV reigns, please are more interested in drama. One does not arise above the fray by being ethical or fair. We do not elect people on their accomplishments. We elect them based on the less evil. We are too focused on trivial matters. Very little in the election has been focused on how to improve America, but instead on why the other candidate is a shittier person.
Either you're very young or very biased towards the left. George W Bush was absolutely trashed by the left during his administration.
Hillary is a much different political animal than Obama. She has been in DC for 24 years and knows how to work behind the scenes. I have hope that things will get slowly better.
He also came to power under one of the biggest clouds of controversy in the history of Western democracy. And then he did that whole Iraq thing. That was kinda unpopular, so I hear.
It's healed when one side stops blaming immigrants and minorities for society's problems. The other party isn't going to stand silent while entire groups of people are being alienated.
Our leaders have not worked together to heal the country. Both parties drew lines in the sand and society followed their example. I'm not blaming anyone in particular.
