How could we not be b****ing??? Look at us, David Carr is a like rookie out there on offense in his 5th yr, we have 0 running game at all, and our defense still sucks, it is a bottom 5 defense, Mario really hasn't done **** besides get a few pressures here and there. We have a pass rush, what team have you been watching. The one that goit absolutely lit up by JP Losman and Chad Pennington, or the one that got some pass rush against the worst offense ever in Oakland???
What the hell has mario williams done? I hate Vince Young but wish we had him or bush instead of williams. How many legitimate sacks has he made? 2
Mario has started to do what he was drafted to do and this apply pressure and be a disruption along the line. When the 2002 draft came around David Carr and Joey Harrington were all the rage. Harrington was getting some Heisman love and Carr was being lauded for his stellar play at Fresno State which shocked the world that year with their play. Now you want to say that they were nobodys in the draft, bull**** I'm sure you were cheering the pick along with everyone else. next you'll tell me you saw the whole Eddie Griffin debacle happening when he was still at Seton Hall. You're right no one would take a defensive player over Manning, LT and Brady if they were starting a team from scratch. This team had a QB that they invested in (and money plays a huge part of who plays in the league) as well as a 1,000 yard rusher. So why take something you don't need. If Philly had the #1 pick this upcoming draft would they take Brady Quinn? How about Adrain Peterson? No they would look to trade down, maybe take an OL or some defensive help. So you're telling me that Mario has had no impact on this team at all? You mean to tell me that some of the success that the defense is having Mario has no hand in it whatsoever? I guess you're not watching the games, or the games from last season where the opposing QB had all week to throw the ball. The simple fact is that Mario has quietly put together a good first season and because he doesn't show up on highlight reels or get boffed by the clowns at ESPN he gets no love and is automatically a bust. There are plenty of team that would've taken Leinart and Cutler ahead of Vince, in fact it was widely reported that the Titans really wanted Leinart. If I had to do it all again I'd pick Vince first with how bad Carr is playing, I'd still take Mario over Reggie, but thats hindsight and looking back is gonna do us no good.
So all that b****ing is going to magically make Vince a Texan? The pass rush didn't get lit uip by Losman he threw two quick slants to Lee who burned Faggins. I've just never seen so-called fans b**** so much about what could've been.
We had a QB that had been terrible for 4 yrs and had his brains beaten in for 4yrs, and they could have let him walk away with no more money invested, and a good RB with a chronic knee problem who has never stayed healthy in any of his 4 yrs in the league. Philadelphia on the other hand has a QB that is a perennial probowler and MVP candidate, led them to 4 straight NFC title games and a SuperBowl. and they dont run the football, so they wouldnt need Peterson. But Brian Westbrook is a good player anyway. They would take Quinn or Peterson because they have great players at those positions, not the crap we did/do.
No, but it makes me feel better. And 1 of the Losman TDs was a deep ball where he had all day. Plus the other almost 200 yds besides those passes. And what about Pennington? He tore us up too.
Kubiak and staff made the decision that Carr was their guy and that DD was a servicable RB that could run in the "Denver system". The team viewed themselves as not needing a QB or RB with a first round pick. They needed defense and OL help. Thats why the first two picks were defense. The last two picks on the first day were both OL. A 1,000+ yard/season rusher is crap? If you want to scrap Carr now thats fine I won't argue that, but don't say that we were in the market for a QB when that choice got made way before the draft. Kubiak thought/thinks he can win with David Carr. I've seen Kubiak's football credentials, haven't seen yours, but I'll go with Kubiak everyday and twice on Sunday.
No it doesn't, you continue to bring it up cause you like to torture yourself with the thought of Vince as a Texan instead of a Titan. Move on. Mario got pressure on Losman thats why he was double-teamed most of the game. He's one man and doesn't always get to the QB. Football is a team game and it takes all 11 guys doing their job to win. Just like Vince doesn't win all by himself. As for Pennington lighting us up, who hasn't besides the Jags, the secondary is crap (sans Dunta).
That is the whole point, he/they were wrong, they were wrong about Carr, and wrong that they didn't need a RB. Kubiak thought/thinks he could win with Carr, I don't care about his credentials, he was wrong. DD is not crap, but he can't stay healthy and has been on IR the whole year, and will probably never play here again.
That Patriots team was unstoppable, don't try to take anything away from Peppers because they lost to a team that would go on to win 3 straight Super Bowls. DD- You know I am a HUGE VY fan and I'm still pissed that we passed on for Mario, but this isn't a good argument. Bruce Smith was a #1 overall pick, think the Bills felt like they wasted the pick? Peppers was the 2nd overall pick, think the Panthers felt like they wasted it. Simeon Rice was the 3rd overall pick. Orlando Pace was the #1 overall pick, etc... Of course you can point out that guys like Kearse were found later or that Courtney Brown was a complete bust. But saying that its a WASTE to use a high pick on a DL is silly because there have been plenty of guys that have been worthy of it.
But that was their decision to make not yours. The Texans as a whole have invested quite a bit in David Carr. They weren't going to let him walk away with nothing to show for it. Kubiak is/was his last chance at redeeming his career in Houston. He has five games left, lets hope he shows us the potential that Kubiak sees in him. Personally no matter what he does I think he is gone next season. You called him crap and I'm just letting you know that a 1,000 yard/ season rusher is pretty damn good. We all drooled over what DD could've done in this "Denver system", but you're right he'll never play again.
3 out of 4. It is just my opinion, and we are not talking about HIGH picks but the number 1 pick in the draft, and in a year where 2 freakishly good athletes are there at skill positions. Heck, VY is a SUPER freak for a QB.....and that gives a LOT more of an advantage over any D-lineman...IMHO. DD
Excellent point, DD. I completely agree with your premise here. What you're saying is that the Texans did the right thing by passing on VY because, as you correctly pointed out by using the Philly win last night as an example, you don't need a 'star' QB to win games. Good to see you've finally come around.
Oh the irony !! LOL - I give you props though drummer..... Maybe the Texans should go out and get a veteran backup QB to put some pressure on Carr, or to have someone to turn to when Carr is passing for that -5 yards in a game. DD
THIS ARGUMENT IS OFFICIALLY OVER!!! You know it's bad when IC2000 says HE wishes the Texans had drafted VY!!!!
This gets me too. People are still hanging on to what they wish was reality instead of what is. They go as far to support another team in a vain attempt to make their desires come true. This is called a conceptual attachment.
How many legitimate sacks does Peppers have? I don't know, but I know that at least Mario was able to get to the QB 4.5 times before the QB could get rid of the ball. Our defensive was the worst in the league last year. Now it is respectable and on it's way to be pretty good. What is Reggie Bush's averge yards per carry? What is Vince Young's completion percentage? Every rookie struggles.
