1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

How does JJ compare to Shandon, Posey?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by dharocks, Oct 1, 2003.

  1. RIET

    RIET Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    4,916
    Likes Received:
    1
    1. I thought I was on your ignore list. If not, please put me on it.

    2. Who cares if it's 14, 15, 16 or 17. none of that matters. It's not going to be lower than 17. There are numerous players in that range that can help a team.

    3. The idea that we don't need "young talent" is stupid. Every team needs young talent. Tony Parker was instrumental in helping the Spurs win last year at age 21. Tim Duncan was in his 2nd NBA season when he helped them win a title. Did Sam Cassell not make a difference in our championship driver as a rookie? What about Robert Horry? How old was he when we won our championships?

    The idea that a 22 year old player can't come in and help a team is ludicrous. If we had an Andrei Kirilenko or Zach Randolph, they would be starters on this team, ahead of a Jim Jackson or Eddie Griffin.
     
  2. francis 4 prez

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2001
    Messages:
    22,025
    Likes Received:
    4,552
    essentially the offense that has won 7 out of the last 10 titles.


    kobe breaks it up a little for the lakers but even everything he does is predicated on drawing doubles and kicking out for 3's, even from the post. and the lakers passing it around the perimeter 4 times at the beginning of a possession to prove everyone is involved and the triangle is genius doesn't mean anything. draw doubles, hit 3's is all it is. and SA may have some movement but when it goes to duncan it's all about getting open 3's and hitting them.

    7 out of 10 ain't bad for rudy's offense. since i was young, i'll ask. did anyone really do what we did before we did it, or at least to the same extent? i.e. use the post game combined with a ton of 3 point shooters to get things done? it may not be the ideal offensive system, but it's the best way to not need the greatest role players b/c you can get specialists and have more offensive success relative to overall talent than other systems.

    the kings, mavs, wolves, nets have the best chance of breaking the trend but they haven't so far.
     
  3. canoner2002

    canoner2002 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2002
    Messages:
    4,069
    Likes Received:
    1
    You are on my ignore list since Augest. I just saw you active in this thread and thought you might have changed your mind after seeing the new situation. Obviously I was wrong. Are you going to be upset forever and refuse to admit a good move like acquiring JJ when everybody sees it? I wonder you will say when JJ, Pike, and AG play well or Posey sucks next season. Are you still going to be upset about letting Posey go or are you going to register a new user name?
     
  4. RIET

    RIET Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    4,916
    Likes Received:
    1
    Yes. Im going to register under a new name if Jim Jackson is a good player.

    Why do you think I asked you to put me on your ignore list. Only idiots would register under a new name. The fact you even considered that is exactly why I have asked you to put me on your list.

    You post nothing new or informative. All you do is read what everyone says and then regurgertate them in some weird, oxbow incident-ish compilation. It's the best of popular opinion CD.

    Instead of just repeating what everyone says, watch some basketball and actually think of something insightful.

    We don't need any young talent is typical of the mindless bandwaggoning so prevalent in your posts.
     
  5. canoner2002

    canoner2002 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2002
    Messages:
    4,069
    Likes Received:
    1
    What is new in your argument? "why not keep a 26-year-old who can grow with Yao and SF?" that is your sole point for the past two months. So now we are not allowed to acquire anyone older than 26? That 26-year-old is not even an average starter on 3, what a joke!
     
  6. RIET

    RIET Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    4,916
    Likes Received:
    1
    All my ideas are my own. Not someone else's. Not from reading HeyP's endless babble. Not from the latest popularity polls. Mine.

    Were do yours come from? Read 10 threads and then repeat whatever the majority of the posters think. Why don't you order HeyP's manuscript. 'll sell it to you for $19.95. Then you can plagirize all you want and talk about UCLA and why Bill Walton was the greatest player ever after Larry Bird.
     
  7. Elie#17

    Elie#17 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 1999
    Messages:
    579
    Likes Received:
    42
    I'd give up my left kidney to watch Bullard play again. The fans would go nuts! (well..maybe not my kidney)
     
  8. canoner2002

    canoner2002 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2002
    Messages:
    4,069
    Likes Received:
    1
    You had ONE idea in the past two months, and it sucks. You repeated it again and again, that is what I call endless babble. You refuse to directly address other people's counter arguments, that is stubborn.
    I don't agree with HeyP all the time (you can check the past threads), but it doesn't mean I have to disagree with him everytime. If one idea is right, then you agree with it, and you don't just say otherwise to prove you are unique.
    Do I give a sh*t about HeyP? If he says something that I don't agree, I will say what I think. For example, HeyP said after signing Pike and AG, we could still use the rest of the MLE tp sign one or two more. I thought we wouldn't use it because we wanted to stay under lux tax threashhold so that we can collect lux tax money. Guess what, that seems to be the idea of the management. They used the rest of the MLE on JJ, but only after they made sure they stay under the lux tax line. I think we are going to use the 6.5 mil trade money very prudently, and only use it if we see a great deal, a deal good enough to go above the lux tax line.
    You can hold on to your "why not keep a 26-year-old who can grow with Yao and SF, even it cost $24mil/4year" idea, but you do get any respect unless you convince people why "3 quality 30-year veteran for less money" is a bad idea. And you certainly don't get any respect with your scheme of discrediting someone because he agrees with another person on one issue. I may be wrong, but you act like a stubborn teenager who never admits a mistake.
     
  9. RIET

    RIET Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    4,916
    Likes Received:
    1
    Once again. All you do is repeat what others have said in various threads.

    I don't remember anything you have said that was not a repeat or a retread.

    Tell me. Based on your observations, what is Steve Francis' biggest weakness. Cuttino Mobley's? Yao's?

    Why did Jeff Van Gundy state that attitude and chemistry were the keys to building a championship team. How does signing 3 30+ year old players factor into that.

    What are the most common traits among role players on championship teams?

    What coaches that were available during the offseason best suited this team and which ones did not?

    I was using HeyP as a generic example because Ive met and talked to him in person about basketball and know his leanings

    The fact you remember his posts and mine is scary and proves my point that you just memorize the bbs and do a copy and paste.
     
  10. DavidS

    DavidS Member

    Joined:
    May 17, 2000
    Messages:
    8,605
    Likes Received:
    0
    I would have loved to run the Laker offense. Especially the SA offense. But you're suggesting that if we had the talent, then we would have. Well, Rudy did only what he knew. He never showed that he knew how to mix up the offense. He just kept running the same style plays over and over for his whole career. Francis era too. Same thing. ISO and spot up 3-pointers. Rudy just didn't know any other way regardless of how much talent/player types he had. And that was my point on Shandon Anderson.

    I like to call this the "hammer, nail" solution. Get a hammer(achieve some success), and suddenly everything is a nail. That's Rudy.

    Of course, IMO, the the main reason we won the titles was due to Hakeem and Drexler (mostly). Not necessarily the system. The "system" only made it harder on Hakeem and Drexler in the long run (Regular season), because they had to handle more of the burden than would be required if there was more motion and cutting from other players (role players). So, the 7 out of 10 systems do not get most of the credit. Add the fact that ours was the most *extreme version* compared to the other 6 out of 10. Like you mentioned, the LA and SA versions at least had some level of motion and cutting, that gave the offense just a enough unpredictability to off-set any stagnation.

    And when you say that our old system was not "ideal." I agree wholeheartedly! Because to me, you don't need 5 all-stars (talent laden team) to design an offense that has cutters, and movement without the ball. If fact, the *less talent* you have, the better reason it would be to play a five-man offense.

    Now, by no means am I suggesting that we should have run a five-man offense (Rudy couldn't have pulled it off if he wanted to), but at least run a similar system to what LA or SA has done. It creates a more consistent winning when you mix up the offense. Keep them guessing, I like to say.

    We'll just have to wait until JVG starts running his offense. He's at least more balanced in his philosophy. And that's a good thing.

    P.S.
    Rudy would have been a great DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR, if there was such a thing. That's was his forte.
     
  11. canoner2002

    canoner2002 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2002
    Messages:
    4,069
    Likes Received:
    1
    Explain this to me: according to your theory, mine remebering your and his posts proves that I only do a copy and paste. But you also claim you remember everything I have said, what does that make you? Do NOT shun away from this question.

    Fact is, I have a good memory as one of the many things I am proud of. And you haven't read a fraction of my 480+ posts and you jumped on a conclusion that you cannot back up.

    I say it again, no disrespect to you HeyP, I don't give a sh*t about what you say or anybody says here. I say what I think. I have a Ph.D and I didn't get it by coping and pasting other people's stuff. What are you RIET, a high school drop out?
     
  12. RIET

    RIET Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    4,916
    Likes Received:
    1
    Of course I remeber everything you say because youre the only person Ive ever asked to out me on their ignore list. Everytime you post, Im reminded how all you do is take someone's statement and just repeat it. Just look at this thread:

    Not only did you plagiarize, but you got it wrong. The 14th pick means we would actually make the playoffs. The lotto is 13 teams.

    Every idea you had is from someone else. It's so obvious.

    Is it any wonder you didnt answer any of my questions?

    Tell me. In your opinion, why does Yao Ming continuously miss those baseline jumpers?
     
  13. canoner2002

    canoner2002 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2002
    Messages:
    4,069
    Likes Received:
    1
    I put you on my ignore list (you are the only one on that list) two month ago. I don't pretend that I have read every one of your post, and I don't believe you have read every one of mine either.

    I didn't even read the rest of this thread, otherwise how could I got the 14th pick wrong? I say i got something wrong when I know it, you never do that.

    Wonder who first educated you MLE is not what an average NBA player makes, but the average of NBA players make. I guess you didn't get the idea, understandable. Oh yeah, someone helped me point out your totally messed up logic in previous post.

    Look, on every question you ask, people have posted 100's of theories. Are you going to say I am coping one of the theory no matter what I say? I see, to count as an opion to you, one has to say "because Yao wasn't doing his girlfriend previous night" (even that might not be an original idea).

    Why does one have to have different opion from others on every issue? That is typical teenager behavior, has to be the stand-out all the time.

    I will waste no more time on a hopeless teenager mind. I really don't enjoy reasoning with someone who is inferior on intelligence level. Time will prove whether your judgement on Posey and our three acqusitions is wrong. But I have made my judgement on your intelligence level. Inferior.
     

Share This Page