How do you think Daryl Morey will address the Center problem?

Haywood's contract is like nails on a chalkboard BUT I see what your saying. In reality, his contract is about 5 yrs at 41 million(his last year is completely unguaranteed) and if you can get the Mavs to throw in the rest of his salary for this season, your looking at about 4yrs 34.1 million. That is still WAY OVERPAID but not an Eddie Curry like deal and he is functional.

He was actually pretty good last season until he was traded to the Mavs and since then he has lost his way. Get him out of there and give him time then we might see his old self come back.

 

so quick question... why do people think Melo wants to leave one of the best teams in the NBA???

 

A very realistic purpose: What about Fesenko?

With the comeback of Okur he's not gonna find much playing time. I could see Morey going for him again. Thoughts?

 

I didn't realize that his contract was that long or if he was making that much. He is functional,but I'm more reluctant to go after him now.

 

Hm, Budinger would be an interesting player for Sloan, for sure, like it was Korver...

 

Not necessarily. We're talking 10 lbs here, not 40-50.

245 is strong enough not to get out muscled for rebounds or in the post (like Cousins did to us a few times), and still be very light and athletic to fly to the ball.

here are some borderline or all star caliber F/C examples:
Pau Gasol 7ft 250
Brook Lopez 7ft 265
Dwight Howard 6'11 265
Kevin Garnett 6'11 255
Tim Duncan 6'11 255
Amare Stoudemire 6'10 240

Guys like Noah and Camby are listed at 235 (which may be an old weight listing that hasn't been updated yet), so the average to be strong enough to be a solid rebounder, shot blocker, and be comparable to those guys is about 245 or so.

Luis Scola also runs the floor extremely well and is listed at 245. So I think running the floor and transition stops will be more about effort and mentality, since Hill is more athletic than Scola.

 

Lol, why even say this? Waste of bandwidth and forum space.


Second, anyone who wants marc Gasol definitely didn't watch him when he came to play us a few days ago in Houston. He looked trash and really doesn't like Scola. I got Scola's back so no Gasol...

Cousins + an old center and we will be fine. Finding young talent takes time and is hit or miss. We need an old vet that can score a bit like Curry or Przybilla and then a yougn center to develop who can move on the court well like Cousins or Horford.

 

Because he's thinking "location" first and "wins" second.

He wants to be back on the East Coast, preferably in New York. And his wife wants to be either in New York or, uh, New York.

 

marc Gasol had injury

 

WOW... i usually try to stay away from calling ppl out or putting them down for their opinions, but that sir, has got to be, one of THE DUMBEST things i have ever seen on Clutch Fans.

 

@b2bizchina: What was the injury? That's interesting, even if he made a few shots I kept commenting that night that his footwork looked really really bad. So if he had a lower leg injury that would make sense so I may have spoken too soon. But injury or no injury Scola and Gasol were going at it even when the game was out of reach.


Now on to the less necessary business:

I'll take 15 minutes to give my one response to the idiot above calling me dumb.

Quote me properly... I said bring in a vet ALONG WITH a young player to develop into a star. So since my statement was so dumb, you should easily be able to answer the question, Why couldn't Curry or Pryzblla give 8-10 good minutes?

My answer... Brad Miller fits that same mold. If Jordan Hill were a budding superstar, we would start Hill and have Miller in the second unit giving good 10-15 minutes a game (but Hill is not Noah!). My argument is while we wait on whoever we get in the draft/trade for, to develop, bring in another vet to give 8-10 good minutes.

How is that dumb or anything other than a moderate suggestion? If anything accuse me of sitting on the fence, not taking a risk, etc. but if that's dumb I'm doubting if you can read or put 2 and 2 together. Pretty standard idea bro, not groundbreaking at all.

The team has to change and that means getting multiple big men who can on any night put up 10 points in 15 minutes if called upon. These dudes careers are changing, and so does their contributions. IMO, Curry isn't going to make the $$ he was, I could see you disagreeing saying he wouldn't be worth the $$ you think he'll get, but from a contribution standpoint your objection is too extreme to have no explanation as to why. The reason why I named Joel, is that Pryzbilla can actually play some defense with his slow butt when he has the energy. I know that's not a dumb suggestion whatsoever to complement Miller who is a better passer and has been trigger happy from long range.

I'll take Cousins/Pryzbilla/Miller or Hill & Horford/Curry/Miller or Hill. We have the ability to see what these young guys can do with a pair of 7 foot vets.

WHAT IS DUMB ABOUT EITHER SCENARIO? If you don't think it's do-able, then that's fine, I don't pretend to know teams motivations in trades or if Yao/AB will even been under contract next year which is a big amount of $$ that could be used for big men.

At the end of the day, you're a tool. Sorry for wasting space, Clutchfans!

 

No true, it depends where the size is added. Muscle added to his lower body should increase his strength and power output per lb of bodyweight. I say should because you can also add weight that would be detrimental.

For the best example of this, look at Usain Bolt. If you compare pictures of him from years ago to pics of him during the olympics you'll notice his legs are much bigger and we all know he didn't slow down an iota. He just smashed 2 WRs.

 

You must not watch basketball. Kaman and gortat are completely different players Kaman is an offensive minded player who is not athletic. While gortat is an athletic center who excels in defense and rebounding but is limited offensively

 

I apologize if i offended you in anyway, but I clearly read comments before making any of my own comments and i did in fact see that you had mentioned bring in Pryz and Curry WITH a younger talent (Cousins/Horford).

You want some reasoning behind my comments - here it is...

1) They could NOT give you 8-10 mins cuz they can stay about as healthy as Yao.

2) Bring them in to develop a young player into a star? Could not disagree more. They were never stars, never were considered stars, and never will be stars. What makes you think they can mold YOUNG TALENT into stars?

Pryzbilla has never averaged more than 6ppg in his "illustrious" 12 year career. What makes you think he can put up 10+ pts in 15mins/game? Defense? How can one play defense while keeping a bench warm due to injuries? Havent we been down this road before?

Miller has shown that he can shoot the ball, can play the high post, and can pass the ball - all premium qualities for a big man in Adelman's offense. These qualities are not present in Pryzbilla or Curry.

Curry - well the dude hasnt played in 2 years so what makes you think he'll be of any help?

Again... i will reiterate that your plan to bring in a 7-footer who doesnt play is a waste of $$$.

Pryzbilla in 12 years has averaged under 44games/season
Curry in 9 years has averaged under 56games/seaons - last 2 years has only played in 10 games combined.

You also laughed at another poster's suggestion about bringing in Elton Brand - regardless of his contract situation, he'd be a much greater asset to this team than Pryzbilla's and Curry's abilities COMBINED.

Brand can bring an offensive and defensive presence, not one or the other. He's not a 11th or 12th man on a team, he is a starter on over 75% of the teams in the NBA.

 

OUCHHHHHHH

 

We will draft a undersized pf in the first and a euro in the second.

 

The most true post made on this thread lol.

Short commercial break.....

To the guy above who claims he can read... clearly you still can't. I said, "These dudes careers are changing, and so does their contributions." So telling me how healthy they could stay while trying to be STARTERS has NOTHING to do with their future contributions (example: T-Mac in Detroit, look at what his $$ went down to and his minutes). If you are going to disagree so strongly, give a good reason.

My problem with Brand + Iggy for Yao and Jeffries isn't the idea, I would LOVE to have AI and Brand (who also fits the mold) but he and I both know Philly has already gotten better offers. It's a wish, a funny one, but still a wish. We give up TWO players who aren't getting minutes for TWO talented players.... hence it got my "lol". :grin:

Are you really going to say that I intended for Curry to develop a player into a star? You REALLY can't read. The team develops players, if we put Hakeem on payroll then our coaches can develop talent. Being in practice with a stable of 7 footers helps develop players. Shut up. I don't care if Curry can't coach talent, while our coaches coach talent and while we see if that player is a potential star we still need older veterans to give minutes. I never said Priz can give 15 points a night, why can't you read? I said he is an option for defense. Clearly I'm not saying we need to get Amare, I'm naming players who contributions are going to have to change so OF COURSE they have flaws. Pointing out obvious flaws doesn't make you seem smarter when the substance of my argument is a tried and true measure. I can name a lot more former starters who couldn't stay healthy until they switched to backup roles. I can also name a lot more starting big men who didn't play defense until their minutes dwindled and they could give more energy and effort on the defensive side of the ball. Then you say it is a waste of $$, but unless you're an agent of these HORRIBLE players who haven't done anything for years how the hell would you know their asking price? At least I don't pretend to be that presumptuous, I just want someone in that mold. Telling me why someone doesn't fit Adelman's system doesn't do anything, maybe the system has to change to fit the landscape of the NBA. Hence, my previous statement of without Yao how this team has to change. (Do you still not read?)

At the end of the day, my argument may be horribly bad, but you're not intelligent enough to justify why it warranted the initial response you gave. We can go back and forth for days which only proves you should go back to your previous strategy of shutting up in the first place.

.....Now back to your regularly scheduled program, ladies and gents.

 

Are you seriously comparing PRYZ and CURRY contributions to Tracy McGrady's contributions?? Please explain to me WHAT PRYZ and CURRY have done in THEIR careers that would make you think they can do ANYTHING to help this team...

"They're careers are changing, so does their contributions"... uhh..what contributions?? What have they EVER done to help their teams win??

Above statements... DUMB!

I can agree with you here 100%... there's no way Philly would do that deal unless they were clearing house to save money, and its been mentioned before that they've made attempts to unload those contracts.

Read your quote below....

Maybe your wording is off here.. perhaps if you dont intend for Curry or Pryz to be those vets to develop the young talent, then word it differently rather than attacking another poster.

again...please re-read your quote

Again... you keep mentioning Pryz and Curry as your vets to sign... what do you want me to take from the above statement?? Hence my statement of, "what makes you think Pryz can be that guy??"

...again..you need to have a player that can stay healthy in order to play defense.. perhaps you should READ MY statements.

incessant ramble above that makes NO sense... you're pretty much all over the place. Here's a suggestion - gather your thoughts first, read, re-read, and proof read your statements so that it does make sense before attacking other posters.

If you want justification to my comments, perhaps you should take your own advice and read my comments. Anyways, i dont have time to argue with imbeciles. i'm gonna go back to watchin my boyz.

 

Spencer Hawes

Im thinking that Spencer Hawes should be the Rockets top, realistic priority. He knows and has the ideal skill set to be a center in Adelman's system. With Brad Miller on board for at least the next two years, it gives Hawes some flexibility to develop into RA's longterm solution at Center. He's also pretty cheap - he's owed just $3 Mill this year and with Qualifying Offer set at $4 Mill next year. We may be able to get him from the Sixers for relatively little.

An offer of Jared Jeffries and a 2nd Rounder for Hawes and Nocioni may do the trick. This brings Philly under the luxury threshold for next year. Nocioni has the trademark toughness of Argentinian players and has an established relationship with Luis Scola. He's not cheap but the commitment is pretty short term as we would have the Team Option for the 2012/2013 season. If anything, he can fill Battier's role off the bench should we choose not to keep Battier around beyond the season.

While its nothing splashy, it definitely fills a need and it wont take too much to get it done. We would still have the necessary pieces to make moves for Melo or Granger, though I see them as ever remote possibilities now.

PG: Aaron Brooks | Kyle Lowry | Ishmael Smith
SG: Kevin Martin | Courtney Lee | Chase Budinger
SF: Shane Battier | Terrence Williams | Andres Nocioni
PF: Luis Scola | Jordan Hill | Patrick Patterson
C: Brad Miller | Spencer Hawes | Chuck Hayes

I think the next logical move would be to put Kevin Martin and Battier on the block for Carmelo with Plan B being Courtney Lee, Jordan Hill and Battier plus picks for Granger or Iguodala.

 

Another soft white man, why not?