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How do you know if you're a homophobe?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Another Brother, Sep 23, 2002.

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  1. LeGrouper

    LeGrouper Member

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    I am a homoskeptic. I have no problem with gay people and have several close gay friends but I cannot convince myself that they are really gay, but just pretending to be gay because of all the attention they get from girls. This one guy I know who is supposed to be gay grabs girls all the time and squeezes their nipple or shoves his hand up their crack and follows it with a line like "take that girlfriend"! The girls always laugh..... Why can't I play too? :p
     
  2. Jeff

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    I guess that's ok to believe if you think that the guy would actually go through with having sex with other men just to get girls. Maybe it's just me, but that seems like an AWFUL long way to go to get girls assuming they'd even want to have sex with a guy who has sex with guys! :eek:

    :D
     
  3. Jeff

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    ooooooooooooo...you zinged me. moral relativism slow...ly...dy...ing....

    world...tur...ning...bla...ck...and...whi...t...e... oh, the humanity!

    :p
     
  4. SmeggySmeg

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    one clue would be if Outlaw is on your ignore list :D
     
  5. across110thstreet

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    ... not that there's anything wrong with that!
    ;)
     
  6. Rockets2K

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    What about us hippy freaks who call *everyone* man, or dude? Those are words that I have used for so long, I use them without even realizing it... I don't use them to be cool or hip or whatever, I just do..
    Of course, I think I could keep from using them in business situations..but it wouldn't be easy.

    oh yea...on-topic....It's easy to be uncomfortable about gays, until it hits you close to home..then you realize that the only difference it makes is that your friend/cousin just likes to date different kinds of ppl than you do.
     
  7. ROXRAN

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    I am very open minded...Nothing scares me about folk...In fact, I have mentally manipulated my outlook to underscore the unexpected...However, I can get a feel for someone easily...I can usually tell the nature and makeup of someone pretty quickly, but I try to establish general accepted greetings to anyone I meet...This tends to mean: keep it ambiguos, simple, clean and to the point...and of course, never assume...

    I try to not be judgemental lest I be judged...but I think there are circumstances where it is all about your actions that make might or spite regardless of background in any protected or unprotected status...

    these actions are for debate, but if you utilize common sense, the realization is that it can best work if equality and fairness is the basis for all under no conditions except where a given condition is inherently reasonable....

    With that said, if I know someone and I can relax and not offend them with razzing, I'll razz as to not cross any deep felt boundaries...For example, good natured jabbing about something about them....
     
  8. Apollo Creed

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    Man, if no one's gonna give Chance props for his post, I will!

    Damn, that was hilarious!:D :D :D
     
  9. Tenchi

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    I had a muslim friend who once told me that he'd have to burn his clothes if he was in a room with a gay person, and thats only because his religion required it. Does anyone know if there's any truth to this? I thought he was just joking, but I heard it from another person the other day.
     
  10. gr8-1

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    I'm not gay, but my boyfriend is.
     
  11. Drexlerfan22

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    For some reason, being gay is the most socially unacceptable condition around. There are people who would rather hang out with convicted murderers than gays.

    I'm not biased against gays, and never will be. I know gay people, and most of them are great people. I have nothing but sympathy, since, contrary to what some people think, no one chooses to be gay, not even a little. It's something they can't help: why would you volunteer for that kind of abuse?

    Imagine being gay... I think the worst part would be that you couldn't talk to anyone about it, for fear that everyone would know. You would have no one to confide in, no one to get advice from, except from a distance.

    I've also heard that most people who turn out to be gay are unsure at an early age, so it's even worse... what if you say you think you're gay, but you're really not? So, do you just not tell anyone, ever?

    I don't know why gay people are gay, and it's certainly not a natural thing, that we can agree on. But whatever it is, gay people deserve our support, not our fear. It's tough enough on them already.

    If you fear gay people, I can understand, I'm not going to pretend that I don't. But as long as you can get past the fear and see all the good things about the person, it doesn't matter... your fear will eventually go away, as mine did. Remember, courage is not acting in the absence of fear, but overcoming the presence of fear.

    Anyway... I'm sure I don't know where I'm going with this, but you all know what I'm saying.
     
  12. BrianKagy

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    I think the bigger problem for gays is people who dislike them, not fear them.

    The sparrows that eat out of my bird feeders are afraid of me. They scatter when I go out to refill the feeders or grab my bike off the balcony. Not a problem.

    If I cross a rabid dog's path, he's going to try to take a chunk out of my narrow ass. He dislikes me. Problem.

    I admit, if I were gay, it would be disconcerting to try to carry on a conversation with a heterosexual guy who was trying to casually keep his ass covered with one hand. That would be weird.

    But I'd be more worried about the three drunk rednecks in the Ford pickup with the "Aint Skeered" sticker.
     
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    I've been told more than once that I should be more in touch with my feminine side, and after evaluation I've found that my feminine side is a lesbian.

    Vicious cycle.
     
  14. B-Bob

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    LOL! A lesbian trapped in a man's body. exACTly.:D
     
  15. goophers

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    I'm pretty sure I'm not a homophobe. But I think a lot of gay people project their fears of prejudice onto other people. Many of them have the a sort of 'reverse homophobia', if you will. Maybe this will illustrate: A couple weeks ago my girlfriend and I went out to hang with some friends who happened to be gay, so we ended up going to a gay bar. It was pretty much just like any other bar I've been to, except with men dancing on the stages and not too many women around. The guys dancing (who the gay friend said were pretty much all straight men, FYI) I pretty much avoided looking at, kind of in the same way as if I'm at a 'regular' club and I see a really ugly girl dancing. Anyways, my point is that I didn't feel uncomfortable, and yet everyone was concerned "Are you sure you're ok?" and "So is this freaking you out?" I suspected, and my girlfriend later confirmed, that they thought since I am a conservative-leaning, religious, hetero- male, that I would start twitching and my head would explode because there were gay men around in a gay environment. I mean, it just leads me to believe that some of the real problems that gays face get enlarged because they also have some prejudices and perhaps see homophobia where it doesn't exist.

    Side note: When my girlfriend and I went into the gay bar, she got stopped and had to pull out her ID. Since I was right behind her, I reached into my pocket and pulled out my ID. I started to show it to the guy, and he wouldn't even look at it, he just let me go right in!
     
  16. BrianKagy

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    So if you didn't enjoy being at a gay bar, would that make you homophobic?
     
  17. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    No, it would mean you're stupid. If you're a single straight guy with gay friends, then you should love going to gay bars. At the ones in Austin anyway, there are tons of hot single girls and very little competition. That was the only time I ever felt comfortable hitting on girls, and it worked a few times too.

    I have a question though. This has been bothering me, so I'd like your opinions. The only free wireless internet cafe I can find here in Dallas is in a gay bookstore, therefore, I don't want to go. Why is that? I've never had any problem going to gay bars or anything like that...why would I have a problem here?
     
  18. BrianKagy

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    Why would that make you stupid? Because of the off chance you could meet a heterosexual single girl whose idea of a good time is hanging around at a gay bar?

    I don't think that the kind of woman who thinks, "I want to meet a guy. I think I'll go where the men like other men" is intellectually qualified to date me.
     
  19. Rocketman95

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    I forgot the :).

    And it ain't an off chance, it's a pretty damn good one. Plus, I'm pretty sure that they aren't going to meet men.
     
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  20. BrianKagy

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    Oh, I knew you were mostly kidding-- I didn't take any offense to it. I almost never use smilies myself.

    But... that just seems like more work. First, the woman starts from the presupposition that you're gay. Second, they're not looking for men, so you have to put them in that mode. Third, the girl likes hanging out in gay bars, which indicates she and I don't have a lot in common. She'd probably be one of those mushy organic-vegetable Birkenstockers.

    I suppose it could work for some guys.
     

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