How do you grade this trade deadline for the Rockets?

I wanted a pony,

And all I got was tube socks.

 

I believe Camby is better than Hill, better defense and better rebounder, adds height to the team.

Fisher, although I hate the guy, he has got a winning attitude, and he is definately better than Flynn. Flynn is really really bad, Fisher is an above-average 3rd string PG.

Would you rather want a pick in the 40s or in the 20s? I'm not exactly happy about these trades, but the team got better overall.

 

Camby used to be good. Much better than Hill will ever be. That is not the case anymore. He's 37 years old, often injured and declining stats.

Hill is 24 and still learning the game. He will never achieve what Camby did. But if you honestly look at the 2 side by side in 2012, shave their head and put them in a noname jersey I think you'd see things differently. Hill is much better scorer, rebounds at the same rate and has a higher PER. AND is getting better.

You can put the same arguement for Fisher (also 37) but lets just say that if Fisher was so great, why would they seriously shop Pau to replace him. Answer? He sucks. Bad. Percentage is horrible, Assists? Horrible. TO? Horrible. And on the Lakers who have Bynum, Pau and Kobe to pass through. I know the triangle can skew a pg's numbers but they aren't running it and he still bad. Flynn had major rust and yes he was drafted too high, but he was (and will) get better.

Never said the pick was a downgrade..that was the only upgrade...not sure if you misread or just reaching to make your arguement based on 2001 data.

 

If it's the Mavs pick, which I'm sure it is, then you are looking at a pick that could be in the mid-late teens cause they're currently just ahead of us, in the 7th spot in the West.

 

Its top 20 protected pretty much until 2018 when it becomes unprotected.

 

What are the Rockets doing now? We can't win a championship with this team, we can't get a top 5 pick... Are we really going to be in the middle of the pack for another 5-10 yearS?

 

It doesn't matter how good Fisher is, neither does it matter how good Flynn is. Both of these guys are thrown ins, the main priority is the pick.

As for Camby, he makes immediate contribution on the defensive end. Camby is a legit 7 footer, Hill is not. We can debate on this, but I rather let the results speak for itself.

 

B sounds about right

 

Camby is averaging 8.9 rebounds in 22.4 minutes for the Blazers this year, which gives him a better rebounding avg than anyone on the Rockets. He is a significantly better rebounder and defender than Hill. Not an offensive presence at all, but defensively he is bound to help as the Rockets have had major problems containing inside when Dalembert is on the bench or having a sub par game.

It's certainly not a move that I expect to make us a contender, but then again NOBODY in the NBA got a star player at the trade deadline including the Nets who are trying to keep Deron Williams in Brooklyn by trading their lottery pick for Gerald Wallace... Wallace was an all star in the east before and is a solid player, but it's hard to believe Williams will stick with the Nets when his "star" partner changes from Howard to Wallace, especially when giving up the real star they might have aquired in the draft to get him by trading their 1st round pick unless it is top 3.

 

C+ We get proven players and solve one of our issues being the 5 position/rebounding. and gain experience.


Also get rid of players who hardly get any PT here.

 

I give it a B.

You have to look at the big picture: Les is not willing to let Morey tear the team apart and rebuild from scratch, so Morey has no choice but to make small incremental upgrades season after season. We are taking baby steps towards the team that will make us contenders. It's like the guy who went on craigslist with a paperclip and traded his way up to a house. He didn't get a house on the fifth trade, but he gained a little value with each trade until he had the right piece to trade for the real prize. It is definitely a frustratingly slow process, but I think Morey knows what he is doing and in the end we will all be grateful. (I hope...)

 

We have max cap room at the end of the season, dmo and a lottery pick c/o nyc waiting for us. its not the end of the world smh

 

People don't get it.

Lol how long did it take the Clippers to get out of "tanking"? By my count, 10 years.
The Wizards?
The Bobcats?
The Pistons?
The Raptors?

This isn't fantasy basketball. You don't suck for a year and become contenders the next. If your team is crappy, it is difficult to get out of that. Even the teams which did tank and become good sucked for several years before getting to that level (Spurs excluded).



We have nice prospects overseas. We have a ton of cap flexibility which can be used in trades AND we have at least 1 first in this upcoming draft (possibly as high as 9th overall)

 

B for Boring.

 

Great trades.

No one was available, we got rid of no one important. We brought in a decent vet pg to cover for Lowry while he is out. We brought in a vet Center to either start or backup Dalembert.

We got rid of Flynn, Thabeet, and Hill. 3 duds who have done nothing for us. I am more disappointed about losing the 2nd round pick than any of those scrubs.

Be real, we couldn't get Williams, Howard, Melo, Amare, or any other big name out there. So we made trades that help this team today, and get rid of some contracts we were going to get rid of in the offseason anyways.

Great great day, I am ecstatic to see Camby in our red. I don't like Fisher, but he can knock down the open 3 and knows how to play the game.

 

seriously, most of those organizations suck. they make bad decisions and that's why they suck as long as they do. Clips? Wiz? Jordan's bobcats? seriously? those are your examples? bad decisions don't hurt teams' chances of rebuilding quicker?

 

In case you haven't noticed, your team has to suck to get a top 3 lottery pick. Contenders don't get top 3 lottery picks, unless they're trying to trade for Hasheem Thabeet

 

I grade these trade deadline moves a C+. The moves were solid, but IMHO push us in the wrong direction...towards making the playoffs (and losing our pick). There's nothing to be gained by making the playoffs this year, with no Gasol level talent coming into the team trying to get into the playoffs suddenly lose its meaning. We should have given a competitive offer for Bogut instead and just tanked the half season remaining. Understand Les' reluctance to destroy the team and rebuild however trading for Bogut and tanking would have given us a full rebuild in just 1 year's time.

Also, we did nothing about the glut on the team...there's still too many similar talent. With Portland in full tank mode I would tried going after LMA, there's no way they would want to keep him around if they're tanking.