I was not implying (or inferring) that TMac was giving up, but I think there is a strong possibility that the team has more or less given up on JVG. They just don't seem to have any spirit anymore. I hope I am wrong and you are right, but the Laker game didn't give me the impression that the team was in a strong positive state of mind.
thanks for your advice i don't know why you'd lie but i also don't remember jvg ever saying he's uncomfortable with the rockets pushing the ball so right now you're just conveniently remembering something no else seems to recall.
so the team has a 4 game winning streak then they give up on the coach? the lakers game was awful but you have to take a huge jump to equate one game to meaning the team has quit. the records show that van gundy can win with a team built around yao and t-mac. we took a good dallas team to a game 7 with t-mac guarding their best player who btw is a power forward. we didn't lose because van gundy isn't a good coach and we're not in the toilet right now cause can gundy isn't a good coach.
People are so quick to forget. Last season when we were averaging over a 100 points per game and destroying the opposition, including the Suns, and putting lots of winning streaks, people were calling JVG a basketball god. Now, he's a totalitarian. There is no better AVAILABLE coach right now. Firing him serves no purpose. That being said, Phil Jackson is a far better coach than him. We lost our chance of that, so i think that we should seriously look at giving Rick Adelman a call when he becomes available last season. The Kings princeton offense is far better suited to Yao's passing skills and ability to hit the jumper, and it would work wonders for his game. Let's wait and see.
It wasn't so much that they lost as they just didn't seem to want to win. Just my opinion. That was last year and this is this year. Different team, different results. I am not pro Gundy, as you may have surmised by now.
eh, but the results aren't that different this year when he has a real team on the court... 14-6 now when yao and t-mac play.
Patience BigM-san. JVG's got his team back...now he will work his majic. The way things have been before now can be compared to buying the ORIGINAL axe that George Washington used to chop down the cherry tree on ebay...and then over time replacing the blade...and a few years later, replacing the handle. Think about it. Takes up the same space...but... NOT the same. Judge the man if you want...but judge him now that he has the ORIGINAL axe. GO ROCKETS!!
I like JVG. I think his philosophy on basketball is sound and he definitely knows his stuff but he could stand to be a bit more of a people person. Not necessarily for the sake of the press, but for his own players. I think this team is just on the unfortunate end of bad luck with injuries and hasn't had time to gel. In seasons past for the Spurs people on this board would claim it's time to rebuild, because traditionally they've been slow starters. It takes time for a slew of new players to adjust the coaches system, but also the players around them as well. When they're healthy though, they're a very dangerous team that can contend with the best in the league. I give JVG a couple of years to atleast get this team to the WCF before I start posts to give him the axe.
Word. TMac and Yao is argueably the best duo in the NBA. Obvioulsy they are going to take you a distance, no matter who the coach, cause they are just that good. Loosing to the mavs was a dissapointment. We won the first two games - on the road, but couldnt do the job after that, loosing by 40 points in game 7. DOnt try to change the facts on that one, cause that was a dark moment. This is as good as getting swept.
Well . . . I thikn that is kind of my point I expect the Rockets to do better but for such a PHENOMINAL COACH I didn't think he got THE MOST out of what he had I hate to bring the comparison . . but RUDY HAD GUYS PLAYING OUT OF THEMSELVES Rising about themselves on a major level From Chuckie Brown to the OLDEST PLAYER IN BASKETBALL Looking at THE CABBAGE'S THREAD I think RUDY INSTILLED a Confidence in his players that carry on their careers Even Chuckie Brown had a solid NBA Career. I just don't see JVG doing that Rudy inspires players to greatness JVG . .well . .the player is what he is . . . Rocket River
I think L. Burning hit on it In that game In that game. . .AJ had his team FIRED UP and READY TO DESTROY the rockets came out flat. . . another game. . ho hum It is what it is . .blah blah blah Rocket River
I think you got the wrong guy. BigM was addressing 'pro' remarks to my 'con' remarks. From the tone of your reply it should have been addressed to me instead of him. However, I will pretend you addressed it to me. I think JVG has prooved this year that he is too rigid to coach TMac and Yao. They are not the kind of players that he had in New York and the kind his mentor Pat Riley has in Miami. They just don't seem to fit his style very well and he seems incapable of changing his coaching style for whatever reason. We are using up TMac and Yao pittling around while they get older. If I was TMac and saw the results of my move disintegrate in front of my eyes I'd be getting awfully disapointed with the franchise.
Yes, by those in the "I *heart* JVG bandwagon." And the same people who are adamently standing up for him now. Those who never believed JVG was a good fit couldn't build a case back then b/c it would have been futile.
Pros: -Great defensive coach -Good motivator -Stress' discipline and team environment -Gets Yao his touches -Gets players prepared Cons: -Puts his identity on the team instead of letting the team play to its streghths too controlling, does not leave room for the players creativity -Hyper-critical of his players -He is terrible at finding the wrinkle in the opposing offense, making in-game adjustments -Coaches boring Basketball I think the way the Pistons play with Flip Saunders basically illustrates that once you have the strong defensive system (Brown's), your offense has to make easy buckets with passing, back cuts, fast break points. If you grind it out on both ends you're always allowing the opposing teams back into the game. If we could get a coach that could implement an offense like that and continue to have the excellent defense that we ahve now I would fire him in a second, otherwise I'll take him over the majority of coaches in the league.
good points about the defense and I think Hubie and some other ex coaches have touched on that point. slow down it down basketball is a double edged sword in that it gives inferiors teams a chance get hot at the end of the game to win. but it also hampers the ability of better teams to pull away from inferior competition. his defensive strategies in taking away another teams first options are sometimes genius. but his lack of adjusting our offense to the opposing defense is down right maddening. J
I'm pretty sure that if this team as constructed had a chance to play without so many major injuries the only people asking for his head would be ones that don't like donut holes as fashion statements.
How dare you clump the indifferent votes with the haters. Haven't you ever heard of independent voters? Couldn't you also say indifferent plus lovers equals 60%, the majority ? Don't twist the facts to create truthiness.
