How do you feel about acquiring T-mac 4 years ago, and how do you feel about him now

Sorry, forgot which thread I was in.

 

I don't doubt your age or anything
BUT
As Antisonic said. . you only been here for six months
Go back to ClutchCity.net Circa 2000_2002
the 'hate' TMac has *nothing* on what SF was getting on this board
AFTER the trade. . . . Rockets Fans went to ORLANDO SITES to hate
then would post links here [to be fair Magic fans came here to hate. . but we
were not talking about them . . we talking about Rocket Fans]

Just because SF got a nice reception . . does not equate to the White Hot inferno
that was the hatred he got on his baord before his departure.

Alas . . also . ..
IT is easy to 'take advantage' of SF's decline since leaving
Which is caused by bad Management [I am amazed at how the same people who want to scream we RAPED WEISBROD . . will turn around and use WEISBROD to demonstrate how bad SF was. . . Either he a bad GM who don't know talent or he not . .. ]

So was Orlando Clowns . .for gettnig rid of TMAC
or
Was Orlando Nostrodomus for moving Cuttino and SF?
[They can't be both now]

We talk about how poor a coach and org NY is . . but then turn around
and use that to talk about how bad SF is .. . .
So . . . . Was it NY Organizational HELL?
or was SF just horrible there? . . oh i kno. . its both right . .right
(even considering the injuries)


NOW
Let's just put your TMAC's 50 win season in a 'little' perspective
1999-00 Houston Rockets 34 48 [Rookie Year]
2000-01 Houston Rockets 45 37
2001-02 Houston Rockets 28 54 [Battled Headaches all season]

Rockets were a 40 ~46 win team . . .WITHOUT YAO *AT* ALL
TMAC has had YAO for Significant amount of games every year
a SEASONED YAO. MY Point - The Francis Teams won 45 games without Yao on them AT ALL . .. so WITH A SEASONED YAO - [even for say 40 games a yea . . . which would be 40 more than Francis had pre-Yao] We only only increased about 10 ~ 11 games?

2002-03 Houston Rockets 43 39
2003-04 Houston Rockets 45 37

This is with Rookie and 2nd year Yao . . . Being a foul waiting to happen
and getting winded
TMac with a better Yao is still 10~11 games better
No better in the playoffs [The Francis Teams played the BEST TEAM in the playoff]

QUESTION: Which Playoff Opponent IN YOU OPINION WAS THE STRONGEST
Lakers [ Payton, Malone, Shaq, Kobe]
Dallas [Dirk, J Terry, J Stackhouse]
JAZZ [AK47, Boozer and Deron Williams]
JAZZ2 [AK47, Boozer and Deron Williams]

So T_Mac1 - Tell me .. . Which one of those teams was the strongest team

IMO
The lakers would have Swept the other three teams

Rocket River

 

please, wekko, let's not get into this. understand boxing out first.

 

rocket river, the west wasn't as strong as it was back then. if i remember correctly, the minnesota t-wolves had the best record that year and they're in no way as strong as the teams we have now in spurs/lakers/hornets/mavs... the west the past 5-6 years have been the strongest FOR A LOOOOONG time. and i think you would agree with this. there's a reason the NBA is so exciting now and it's primarily b/c of the strength of the western conference.

the west back then had 2-3 truly great teams (jazz, spurs, and lakers). but that lakers team weren't their strongest (of all the championship teams) and please, they would not sweep the mavs or jazz (trust me on that).

like i have said before, gary payton and karl malone struggled that year. kobe had his worst year statistically with only 24 ppg on 41% shooting the entire playoffs. shaq was the only dominant guy.

again, you have to factor in injuries. we're winning A LOT (52-55) games with tmac AND yao missing at least 40-50 games together the past few years. if they were healthy, there is no doubt we would have won around 57-60 games the past 3 years at least. and there is no doubt we would have advanced last yr (100% guarantee) if yao or even alston played. this team has the potential to be champions. it's all about staying healthy.

 

Grow up kid. Grow up and learn how to think analytically.

Typical. RR talks about our postseason opponents, and since you cant refute it, you alter the conversation slightly and talk about regular season teams.

Get real. Neither Dallas nor Utah had anyone who could compete with Shaq in his prime. You know whats funny? Everytime you cant logically support your assertions, you say "trust me".

 

so reg. season does not mean anything? you have to play it to get to the playoffs right? and since EVERYBODY in the world says the conference is the toughest it has been for decades, for this team to get 52-55 wins the past few years with A TON of injuries is not something to be applauded? get out of here with that.

so now let's talk about the post season opponents. like i said, shaq was the ONLY dominant player on that lakers team that year. kobe, malone, and payton ALL struggled (b/c of the bickering). RR said the lakers would SWEEP the mavs of 04-05 and jazz. do you believe that?

 

I don't know man, Yao did a lot better against Shaq in that series then against Boozer during the Utah series.

 

That is correct. RR was talking about the Rockets' postseason competition. For that discussion, regular season means absolutely nothing.

Irrelevant to postseason performances/matchups.

Yes I do. En route to the finals, the Lakers played against Yao, Garnett, and Duncan. Star big men who played great defense who could help out on Shaq.

Who could provide the same thing on the Mavs? Dampier? Dampier was often in foul trouble (in limited minutes) against Yao. Can you imagine what would've happened against Shaq?

And who on the Jazz would guard Shaq? Okur? Shaq in his prime would destroy him.

 

Its easier for a center to guard another center as opposed to guarding another power forward.

 

Right, even defensively too. Remember how many times Karl Malone made Yao fall on his ass while Yao was trying to post him up?

Boozer was having his way with Yao on the offensive end and AK 47 got a lot of helping D blocks, Williams scored at will, and during one of the games our bench only combined for 2 pts.

It is unfair to blame all our troubles on SF just like it is not fair to blame us not getting past the first round on TMAC. I still believe it was a good trade, especially give how quickly Steve fell off after the trade while TMAC at least was still effective.