How do you feel about acquiring T-mac 4 years ago, and how do you feel about him now

an injured tmac + yao missing 30 games this team came 2 games from getting the top spot.

you really think at francis' peak he could do this with yao being injured?

 

I feel the same as fans of every team besides the Heat Celtics and Spurs feel.

 

Are you asking me? I'm confused...I LOVED the trade. We got rid of a declining player with no basketball smarts, a streaky shooter and a lazy center for a great player

 

Without Francis. .the rockets could not win 22 games PERIOD
[Remember the headache season]

Rocket River

 

Garbage like - Best Record to never make the playoffs, Rudy getting CANCER, running into a Laker Team with 4 HOFers . . . .

yea. . . Garbage happens


Rocket River

 

Francis never had anything more than Mobley and an infant Yao to work with, yet the team was consistently improving. A couple of those squads that missed the playoffs actually had a good enough record to get in had they played in the Eastern Conference.

McGrady has had more time, with a more polished Yao and we haven't improved one iota. You can have all the 50 win seasons and streaks you want, at the end of the day, if you're consistently rolling over in the first round of the playoffs, it just doesn't matter.

 

AS-

Are you forgetting about SF3's huge decline in athletic abilty and production AND his enormous albatross of a contract?

 

definitely a good trade, cato's outta league, mobley's been a borderline starter and we all know francis' track record at magics/knicks.... but just cause you have 2 superstars in yao and tmac, dont mean guarantee success in playoff, not enough talents and supporting casts on the team still.
and we're starting to see decline in tmac right before our eyes....

 

I honestly don't think he's declined all that much. In the few minutes he got this year he proved he can still jump, and he can still attack the basket. His problems now are staying healthy long enough to string together some good games and finding a place in Adelman's system without compromising too much of what makes him effective.

 

Was a good trade 4 years ago.
Still was a good trade, but T-Mac has been a highly overrated player for 2 years.

 

so now francis = tmac. ok antisonic, your IQ just went through the roof.

polished yao => injured yao. tmac has also been injured. the 2 best players have been injured.

 

1999er dropping the jimmy superfly snuka move on the newbs!

 

I didn't even mention playing through headaches


I think Anti Sonic said it best
During the SF Era .. there was improvement
movement forward.
I think that the next year. . .a year of playoff experience under his belt
a better Yao
the Rockets would have gotten out of the 1st Round
In Fact I think we would have won 50 games

It is easy to point to Cato's demise, SF's poor teams [HE WAS ON THE KNICKS FOR GOD's SAKE] and Mobley being in Clipper land
but
The reality was until WiesBrod tinkered too much . . that Orlando Team
was on the way to the Playoffs
[then he Traded Mobley for NOTHING . .er. . MAN-PURSE . . Doug Christie who pretty much did not play 1 game for that team]
then that orlando team bottomed out . .. but folx don't want to remember that
or hear that . . . .

Rocket River
SF been dumped on so long . .. folx just have selective memory

 

While I have been disappointed by the results, I have a lot more respect for TMAC's character and skill now then 4 years ago.

Before we acquired him I just kind of saw him as a one dimensional scorer who can't handle pressure, won't play with110%, and would just let Yao handle all the blame,pressure, and leadership of this team. I even predicted that he will ruin the chemistry of this young team.

But since then I came to realized that despite what we see from the stat sheet he really does elevate the players around him, is a hellova clutch player, and plays with passion and determination every game.
Even tho this team have been hampered by injuries and unfulfilled potential, I still hold hope because TMAC have shown the will and willingness to do the best he can and help shoulder the weight of this team with Yao.
And his unselfishness of letting himself take the blame and not let allow Yao to develop.

While some people might label the Yao/TMAC combination as a failure, I believe it has been a success. Because while you may argue how much our the success was due to TMAC, it is unquestionable that Yao has flourished and became a dominant force who is feared throughout the league. And the Rockets went from a team with a questionable future and debatable potential to a legitimate NBA power house, who people have predicted every season to be a elite force in the league. While other teams all the other NBA teams have experienced ups and downs, only the Rockets and few other teams have been mentioned season after season to be one of the elite teams in the league.

When it is all said and done can we really ask more from TMAC?

 

lol at ***...how about..

francis = got balls
tmac = need some

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjzVbSE7hfY&feature=related
http://new.wavlist.com/movies/315/ml2-nomarble.wav


PS. I agree with all of rocket river's posts

 

really
francis 2008 = Injury reserve
Tmac 2008 = lead the team to 22 straight wins best in franchise history?

what is your point?
so you honestly think rockets are better off not trading for tmac?

how about we don't surround tmac with ryan bowen, luther head, huh? how about that.

 

How are we 10x better now than with Stevie? The goal should be to advance beyond the first round of the playoffs; not to win 22 straight in the regular season.

The T-Mac trade was a push....

 

Didn't you remember how Francis played with Yao the first 2 seasons? Even if they wouldn't have traded for TMAC he would have been gone one way or another.
Steve required to have the ball in his hands at all times, if you think TMAC shoots too many jumpshots, all steve did was dribble the shot clock out to take a jump shot. Even during his prime his FG% was always in the low 40s.

Look at the total number of Yao's FG attempts since the trade.
If you averaged his total FG attempts in the seasons since the trade he would avg more attempts compared with when Steve was here, even tho he have missed close to half of games for the past 3 seasons with injuries.

I don't see how you can say we are not better now just because the Steve had more success in the playoffs.......... Oh wait Steve have only played in a playoff series once, and the Rockets only won 1 game. While after he left the Rockets went to the playoffs 3 times, twice they went to 7 games and 6 games this season without Yao all against good opponents.

 

lol best post in this whole thread. Ignore TMac haters like antisonic. They talk out of their behind.

 

I hated the trade when it went down. But I was wrong. It couldn't have worked out better for the Rockets (except for that first round anomoly). TMac is one of my alltime favorite Rockets. I was in the stands the night he hit those 4 3 pointers to beat the spurs. Actually got the tickets from a season ticketholder who was getting a divorce from his wife and he had no use for the seats anymore. The best seats I have ever had. While everyone filed out thinkin the game was out of reach I stayed behind (mostly cause I wanted to berate JVG for another loss). TMac made me a believer that night and I know there will be other future moments ahead.