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How do you define dominance for a center

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by sun12, Nov 17, 2006.

  1. Kindger

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    The opposing center(s) always being fouled out because the opposing team always want to put Shaq on FT line. At least that's one of the major reasons.

    I bet Shaq doesn't want anyone to foul him.
     
  2. sun12

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    True, the idea is very broad, so we have to be more specific.

    Shaq's dominance is like this: His shot is high-percentage shot, opposing centers have to foul him, but Shaq still makes the shot. So not only Shaq scores, he puts opposing center on the bench. Now Shaq's teammate can penetrate as well because the starting center is gone. Plus Shaq finds it is even easier to score against the 2nd tier.

    Yao's dominance is like this: Many of his shots are high-percentage against weak/slow defenders, but against physical players, many of his shots are jumpers with low percentage. Defenders do not need to foul him when he shoots jumpers. Sometimes, Yao is great in shooting jumpers, sometimes he is not, thus the inconsistence.

    If Yao could put Ben Wallace in foul trouble last night, he would appear dominant and score more, but he didn't.
     
  3. Yao#1

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    It is when Yao tries to hard to back guys down that he commits turnovers or has little guards dart in and steal the ball. i think Yao should start by facing up and shooting over guys. If that shot is on, there is no stopping him. Otherwise, get the ball and turn and shoot. The less dribbling the better. There were a couple hooks he shot yesterday where he curled through the lane caught the ball and flipped it up without a chance for Ben or PJ to even think about blocking it.
     
  4. sun12

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    You are right. Curry is below average defensively, Shaq is only an average defender. Hakeem is way better than Shaq defensively, thus Horry thinks Hakeem is better than Shaq overall. But Shaq fouls out lots of opposing center.

    Remember, during playoffs, teams are going to be physical. If you are a dominant center, you have to score and foul out these physical defenders. Right now, Yao is the best statistically. During the playoff, I think he will be inconsistent because he has not mastered techniques to score against physical defenders consistently, but hopefully he will get better eventually.
     
  5. sun12

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    You are right. I think Yao also needs to learn some tricks to get a couple of fouls from someone like B. Wallace. If Ben is put on the bench, Yao will find it much easier to score against the substitute.
     
  6. Highwire

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    Shaq and MJ are dominant players. Don't look at the career stats. Anybody who is capable of scoring 30+ on most days can be considered as one.

    I consider Kobe as one also. There's still more if you look at the sky with y our two eyes.
     
  7. MacGreat

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    You are a typical example of the haters who keep raising the bar in order to create the impression that Yao has underperformed. But you have also revealed your own idiocy by setting an unrealistic standard like that.
     
  8. Highwire

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    Fair enough. Good point.
     
  9. YallMean

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    20/10, 50%+ FGP, 2 asts, 10 FTA, commanding double team night in and night out. That's dominace in my book.
     
  10. MacGreat

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    So what's your definition of dominance now?

    "30+ points, 15+ rebounds, these are the fundamentals. Fouls will follow when nobody can stop you."

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    "Anybody who is capable of scoring 30+ on most days can be considered as one"

    I say both Yao and Tmac are capable of scoring 30+ on most days. So they are both dominant players.

    Your turn.
     
  11. Highwire

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    Another "idiot" remark. :)

    What do you want to hear that Yao is a basketball god? you're the idiot.

    We are talking about DOMINAnCE. Yao is performing acceptably well but not the like of Shaq's dominance in his early days. Saying that Yao is not dominant doesn't mean that he has underperformed.

    You're a kind of fan who would think that we can win all the 82 games. That makes you an idiot.
     
  12. A_3PO

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    Try avoiding caffiene and please stop the name-calling. Using words like "hater" and "idiocy" don't make your point and add nothing to the discussion.
     
  13. MacGreat

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    Hey, we are talking about your definition of dominance here. I just want you to elaborate on your definition of dominance which is 30/15.

    Now tell us, which NBA players in the last 20 years can be considered dominant?
     
  14. sun12

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    Good point. Allen Iverson scores a lot of points. On some nights when he is on a 50% clip, 76ers still lose. Why? He does not put much pressure on the opposing defense, especially the anchor of the defense as the center.

    Michael Redd scores 57 and still loses, why?
     
  15. MacGreat

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    So who's doing the name-callings here?

    Hint: Read the post just above yours and you will know.
     
  16. choujie

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    If yao's FT percentage is down to 45%, he'd get a lot more fouls.
     
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    You must not be talking about the Shaq of today. He doesnt dominate at all anymore. Maybe for a 5 minute span or so, but not for a game. He didnt put Yao in foul trouble when they played and Yao is always in foul trouble. To say Yao does not dominate a game is rediculous. He may not physically dominate a player but he does dominate the game. Ask the Mavs, Heat, and Knicks if Yao dominates a game.

    I just get so sick of the fact that Yao catches so much criticism. He is the most critiqued 26 point and 10 rebound player in history. All TNT could do yesterday was mention Shaq was injured which is why Yao went off. Where was all this defending injured players when Yao was playing with a nasty toe injury.

    Shaq was a monster force in his day, but as of right now, Yao is a much better player. Did Reggie Miller watch the playoffs last year when he said you know what you will get with Shaq in May and June. Shaq was barely better then the Dampier/Diop combo in the Finals.
     
  18. Highwire

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    you sound like 6yr old kid. :D
     
  19. MacGreat

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    Who has said Yao is basketball god? I only have problem with your definition of dominance and I used him as an example just because this thread is about him.

    What do you have to put words in other people's mouth? How low can you get?
     
  20. MacGreat

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    Is that the best comeback you can come up with? You are the definition of being childish.
     

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