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How do we fix the divide & teach truth to the disenfranchised?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by DaDakota, Jan 10, 2021.

  1. vlaurelio

    vlaurelio Contributing Member

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    first is investigate and hold accountable anyone involved in the storming of the capitol starting from the top
    this will give this guys better understanding of the constitution, democracy, allegiance to the flag, accoountbility, and law and order
     
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    "The Progressive Purge Begins: Tech’s stampede against the right will lead to more populist anger"

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-progressive-purge-begins-11610319376?mod=hp_opin_pos_1

    The Progressive Purge Begins
    Tech’s stampede against the right will lead to more populist anger.

    By The Editorial Board
    Jan. 10, 2021 5:56 pm ET

    Can right-wing populist sentiment be banished from American life by the brute force of social-media censorship? We’re about to find out. After Wednesday’s mob invasion of the Capitol that disrupted the counting of electoral votes, big tech firms have moved, aggressively and in unison, against Donald Trump and his supporters. The companies say they want to marginalize the violent fringe, but their censorship will grow it instead.

    On Thursday and Friday came the Facebook and Twitter bans of Mr. Trump. Given the extraordinary circumstances, some commentators who normally oppose web censorship were untroubled.

    An exception who deserves to be listened to is Alexei Navalny, the Russian democracy advocate and scourge of Vladimir Putin who was poisoned last year. He pointed out that, unlike the open election process that ousted Mr. Trump, social-media decisions to de-platform elected officials are unaccountable and arbitrary. “Don’t tell me he was banned for violating Twitter rules. I get death threats here every day for many years, and Twitter doesn’t ban anyone,” Mr. Navalny tweeted.

    He added that while Twitter is a private company, “we have seen many examples in Russian and China of such private companies becoming the state’s best friends and enablers when it comes to censorship.”

    Then the tech giants moved against Parler, Twitter’s free-speech competitor that is a haven for Trump supporters as well as more extreme figures. Google and Apple indefinitely booted Parler from their app stores over the weekend, crippling its viability on mobile phones. Then Amazon went for the kill, announcing that on Sunday it would withdraw its cloud service that Parler relies on to store data.

    The stampeding tech giants say Parler hosts material that encourages violence. Though Parler has a policy against incitement, Apple pointed to recent violent posts the site didn’t take down. It’s not as if violent content hasn’t been posted on the larger platforms. None other than former Twitter CEO Dick Costolo posted last year that “me-first capitalists” would be “the first people lined up against the wall and shot in the revolution.”

    Parler’s more lax content moderation resembles the approach taken by social-media companies in the early and mid-2010s, before Silicon Valley soured on its earlier theories about an open internet promoting democracy. The Journal reported Saturday that “in the past few days, Parler doubled its team of volunteer moderators—called ‘jurors’—to more than a thousand,” and proposed further enforcement steps. But Parler is now a political target, and it won’t be the last.

    Sociologists have documented how America’s political tribes increasingly shop at different stores, live in different places and have different tastes. That cultural gap contributed to Donald Trump’s rise, and political segregation of the internet will widen it.

    Conservatives of all stripes watched as Twitter and Facebook took extraordinary measures to black out legitimate reporting on Hunter Biden in the run-up to the election. Now an informal confederation of web gatekeepers is methodically destroying a competitor that was created to accommodate their views.

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    Dissenting opinion won’t vanish because tech CEOs ban it. The views will go underground, perhaps become radicalized in frustration, and eventually burst into the open in the streets. Perceived political abuses by tech firms are becoming a major engine of populism in the 21st century, and the companies’ moves on Parler will supply an infusion of fuel.

    All the more so because Silicon Valley is truckling to the progressives who will soon dominate Washington. Democrats are applauding the new tech blacklists, and for months they have pounded Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg with threats if he doesn’t censor political content they don’t like. The big tech firms may be private, but their censorship at the behest of the powerful in government raises moral and legal issues.

    In Marsh v. Alabama (1946), the Supreme Court ruled that a privately owned town couldn’t restrict the distribution of religious materials because the company was a de facto government. Tech firms that dominate the flow of information in the U.S. and censor at the behest of powerful Democrats also deserve First Amendment scrutiny. The lock-step tech banning of Parler may also violate antitrust laws.

    Joe Biden said Friday that America needs a “principled and strong” opposition party. Whatever the GOP’s future, and despite widespread revulsion at the President’s actions last week, tens of millions of his supporters will be the basis for that opposition party. New and aggressive uses of corporate, politically endorsed power to silence larger swathes of the right will be destructive in a way that all Americans may live to regret.

    Copyright ©2020 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
    Appeared in the January 11, 2021, print edition.






     
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  3. dachuda86

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    Censor them more instead of debating them. I'm sure that will do the trick.
     
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  4. ling ling

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    Biden will never be president. The next few days is going to be wild.
     
  5. Xerobull

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    You cannot debate with liars.
     
  7. Ubiquitin

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    You cannot debate with bad faith actors.
     
  8. No Worries

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    The side with the tanks disagrees.
     
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  9. T_Man

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    Man good post..

    You also need people in congress to start working with one another... Too much far left and far right BS, its only making things worst...

    T_Man
     
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  10. malakas

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    You can't save everyone. If you can save 75% of Trump's voters then that's a success.
    I think already after the insurrection a good part of them have woken up and realised that they voted for an aspiring violent dictator.

    What needs to be done is accountabillity. Harsh punishment for treason and incitement of treason. High publicity trials of the leaders and everyone who participated in the coup.

    Stigmatising.
    These people think they can do and say whatever they want and call themselves patriots. Heroes.
    Change the perspective.
    Instead you should label them traitors and terrorists, the enemies of the nation and democracy and call the 6th of January the darkest day of modern history

    How can this stop the divide and start the healing?
    Well there is no healing with the complete brainwashed anyway.
    You have to stop the brainwashing of those Trump supporters who still remain sane.
    Let them see the extreme side of their own party as they really are.
    Terrorists, not patriots.
     
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  12. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    All I know is that we shouldn't meet in the middle.

    Reconstruction after Civil War was a farce because the North gave in to the South's demands. That lead to almost another century of torment and the murder of Black Americans.

    Giving Nixon an out led to Presidents KNOWING they could get away with almost everything including Bush, Chaney and now Trump.

    **** the olive branch. It's time to pull the bandaid off fast.
     
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    If we can’t live with each other, should there be a United States? Do we look United ? What unites half the country with the other half? Texans football? Netflix?
     
  15. nacho bidness

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    More coddling is surely going to fix everything.
     
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  16. malakas

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    There is no negotiating with terrorists.

    Whoever supports insurrection is a terrorist and a traitor.
     
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  17. malakas

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    Democracy.
    Who are the each other?Democrats with who? Trump voters or with terrorists? 74 million americans aren't all terrorists and violent traitors.
    With those of those who ARE , there is no living with each other. You can't coexist with people who are antidemocratic and want a dictatorship.
     
  18. ROXRAN

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    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
     
  19. fchowd0311

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    It's impossible to debate people who refuse to accept reality.
     
  20. ROXRAN

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    No one wants a dictatorship that has any sense, but people do have the right to criticize and question government and government functions and to protest without rioting or breaking trespass laws into restricted areas ...they shouldn’t be lumped into the terrorists tag line or have any ties to that label, maybe we are in agreement
     

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