really now, "politicalhumor.com" and "nice job?" [rquoter]Sending Americans into battle is the most profound decision a President can make. The technologies of war have changed; the risks and suffering of war have not. For the brave Americans who bear the risk, no victory is free from sorrow. This nation fights reluctantly, because we know the cost and we dread the days of mourning that always come.[/rquoter] http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-19.html
You know exactly what he's saying though and you know he's not saying the deaths of soldiers is meaningless. Let's not purposely misinterpret quotes, now.
If you actually read a little bit instead of just reading the URL, you'd see a Washington Post article But sorry, I forget that facts and information do little for you :/ But thanks for attacking me based on my URL name..."political humor"...and then citing the friggen White House, I see double standards come easy for you
I'm willing to give basso the benefit of the doubt but it is pretty clear he is saying that the number of deaths is meaningless. These are his words.
It is funny that Basso Asks for facts, and when he receives them he suddenly doesn't post anymore, or more commonly he ignores them So Basso how about reacting to the posts of Northside Moss and jo mama? since you cannot respond to SamFisher normally. but i expect that you will not post in this thread anymore, or if you do you will probably ignore those posts. That is a good way to have discussions, just ignore other peoples arguments, even if you asked for them.
It has been going on for some time now, and it is one of the most amazing things I have seen. I've never seen anyone ignore facts blatantly thrown in his face so much, and then come back later and try to have basically the same argument again, only to have facts thrown in his face, so that he can ignore them again. I feel like I'm watching an experiment somewhere, and basso is leading scientists to some bizzare new discovery.
what facts? i'm still waiting for someone to offer a single example of W saying the war would be easy.
I will give GW Bush's speechwriters some credits on couching what he says but the Admin. is more than just the President. Do you put any stock in the words of other Admin. officials such as the VP and Secretary Defense? Also in my original post I didn't specify that the President was the only person selling the war.
No you aren't. You are trying to pretend like Bush's handpicked appointed administration's words don't count, and that Bush doesn't bear responsibility for what they say in regards to the war. The words may not have come out of his mouth, but they came out of his administration. Trying to play word games doesn't move the discussion forward. It is a fact tath
ahh - he wants an example of W saying it would be easy. it doesnt count when its members of his administration or the real people who ran the war. the very people who were clamoring for invasion in the 90's (PNAC) - cheney, rumsfeld or wolfowitz. bush lies basically everytime he speaks. at this point digging up quotes of bush lies is just too easy. especially with regards to iraq. "mission accomplished" - 05/2003 Bush 05 / 2003 Good news to the men and women who fought ... their mission is complete. Rumsfeld 02 / 2003 I think it'll go relatively quickly, … Weeks rather than months. The war: "It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months." Rumsfeld 01 / 2003 The war: "Something under $50 billion for the cost." Cheney 03 / 2003 I think it'll go relatively quickly, … Weeks rather than months. Wolfowitz 03 / 2003 I think it'll go relatively quickly, … Weeks rather than months. Iraq: "can really finance its own reconstruction." Cheney 03 / 2006 The elections were the turning point. … 2005 was the turning point. Q: Do you still believe the insurgency is in its final throes? Cheney: Yes. Bush "You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror." --interview with CBS News' Katie Couric, Sept. 6, 2006 Bush 05 / 2005 You got to keep repeating things over and over and over ... to kind of catapult the propaganda.
[rquoter]On the March 16, 2003, broadcast of CBS' Face the Nation, Cheney stated: "I think [the war will] go relatively quickly." When host Bob Schieffer pressed the vice president to offer a more precise estimate of how long the war would take, Cheney replied: "Weeks rather than months." On NBC's Meet the Press the same day, Cheney stated, "my belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators [by the Iraqi people]." In a February 7, 2003, appearance at Aviano Air Base in Italy, Rumsfeld projected that the Iraq war "could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months." In a February 13, 2002, Washington Post op-ed, Ken Adelman, at the time a member of the Defense Policy Board, stated: "I believe demolishing Hussein's military power and liberating Iraq would be a cakewalk. Let me give simple, responsible reasons: (1) It was a cakewalk last time; (2) they've become much weaker; (3) we've become much stronger; and (4) now we're playing for keeps."[/rquoter] and they were right on every account. in any case, i don't see the point in this whole line of arguement. they were right that it would be relatively easy to topple saddam's army and regime. is that why you supported the war? oh, wait, you didn't, so i'm not sure i understand what your point is. in fact, i know of no one who has said "i supported the war because cheney said it would be a cakewalk and we'd be greeted as liberators, but now i see he was wrong so i no longer support the war."
those are separate quotes that you put all together to make it look like they were only talking about the topple of saddam and not the whole war.. [rquoter]On the March 16, 2003, broadcast of CBS' Face the Nation, Cheney stated: "I think [the war will] go relatively quickly." When host Bob Schieffer pressed the vice president to offer a more precise estimate of how long the war would take, Cheney replied: "Weeks rather than months." [/rquoter] cheney is clearly talking about the whole war not only the topple of saddam [rquoter]In a February 7, 2003, appearance at Aviano Air Base in Italy, Rumsfeld projected that the Iraq war "could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months." [/rquoter] again, rumsfeld is clearly talking about the whole war not only the topple of saddam
http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq2.htm "Do you think the Bush Administration deliberately misled the American public about whether Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, or not?" Misled Did Not Unsure 3/9-11/07 54% 40% 7% furthermore, it seems that most americans are against basso and bush. the majority want us out w/in a year and over half want congress to cut off funding. face its basso, you are in the minority w/ your extremist views. with regards to iraq, you are on the wrong side of the fence as the american people on virtually all points. your partisanship even has you going against the majority of the troops (would you like me to bust out the military times poll again?) who is the moon-bat now basso? "Do you favor or oppose the U.S. war in Iraq?" Favor Oppose Unsure 3/9-11/07 32 63 4 "All in all, do you think it was worth going to war in Iraq, or not?" Worth It Not Worth It Unsure 3/9-11/07 35 61 4 "Regardless of how you feel about the war in general, do you favor or oppose President Bush's plan to send about 20,000 more U.S. troops to Iraq in an attempt to stabilize the situation there?" Favor Oppose Unsure 3/9-11/07 37 59 4 "Do you think the United States is winning or not winning the war in Iraq?" Is Winning Is Not Winning Unsure 3/9-11/07 29 61 9 "Which of the following comes closest to your view? The U.S. should immediately begin to withdraw all its troops from Iraq. The U.S. should withdraw all its troops from Iraq within a year. The U.S. should keep its troops in Iraq as long as is needed to turn control over to the Iraqi government." Withdraw Now Withdraw Within Year Stay as Long as Needed Unsure 3/9-11/07 21 37 39 4
You can NOT talk to basso rationaly,reasonably or in anyway that seems logical. He is going to find anything, any qoute, any piece of news that will fit in to his view of how things "really are".
