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How did McHale become so untouchable on Clutch?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by SugarLandDream8, Nov 27, 2013.

  1. C. Orientalis

    C. Orientalis Member

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    He isn't immune to criticism, he's immune to criticism when it deals with Lin, or if its implied to deal with Lin. If you critizise him for his management of the PF minutes, you'll be fine. If you critizise him for his management of the guards' minutes, especially if you're in favor of more minutes for Lin say in a particular game, you're a LOF and your opinion means nothing. If you blame a loss on McHale when somebody else is blaming Lin, same thing. If you blame a loss on McHale when somebody else is blaming Harden, you're usually gonna be fine.

    However, I don't think this is because people hate Lin. I do beleive there are haters, contrary to what people always claim, "there are no LOH"... Please. But most of these people aren't neccesarily haters, they're reacting to the way some Lin fans are, but in the process have become just as bad if not worse.
     
  2. yummyhawtsauce

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    lol so now Fire Morey? :D
     
  3. SugarLandDream8

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    The Rockets was the 9th seed with a winning record with much less talent. I'm not impress with the job McHale did slipping into the playoffs as the 8th seed after adding the best offensive two in the NBA and a top five center in the NBA.

    As I mentioned previously the "success" of making the playoffs and losing in the 1st round was mainly due to the decline of the Jazz and Mavs.

    McHale did not do a good job.

    BTW I have made threads about my admiration for Leslie who I think is the best owner in the NBA and Morey who admire greatly.

    I barely said 1 bad thing about McHale last season since I thought he deserve some time before I judge him.

    But this is the end of his current contract and he has a team with elite talent and I see his poor coaching as a problem.
     
  4. AvgJoe

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    Morey as a coach really sucks at in game adjustment. I mean the dude literally has 0 communication with his players
     
  5. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Lin is a proven vet after one year of being one of the worst starting point guards in basketball. Good point. Beverley isn't starting because he's a better player than Lin. Get that through your skull. It's about STYLES OF PLAY. The same reason Sam Cassell never started in front of Kenny Smith despite Kenny being raped by Derek Harper and even after Cassell went nuts in the NBA Finals and saved our season. Go on fanboy, do your thing.
     
  6. THELANDLORD

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    so asik just came in as a top 5 center in the league huh? no credit to coaches who developed him and i didn't realize Harden came in as the best offensive SG in the game either. You know so much about players before they get here why don't you go coach or manage a team you clearly understand talent before most people like the experts who picked us to win 35 games last year.... or maybe its just that your hindsight is 20/20

    Lin finishes 70 of the games and the 12 that he doesn't his fans freak out and act like its the end of the world and call for a coaches job who is doing a fine job and so they try to nit pick everything he does in games to prove there point when the results of the team speak for themselves. BTW doc rivers who took over a team that has been together for 3 years is 10-5 also....
     
  7. AvgJoe

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    Fixed.

    Bev is starting because of he's better at perimeter D to cover Harden and Parsons' weak D, but truth is, no matter who you have at PG, you can't have good perimeter D if your star guard doesn't buy into your defense system.

    That is where McHale really fails.
     
  8. THELANDLORD

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    no young teams play defense. Why do you think OKC traded jeff green for kendrick Perkins it was to bring in someone who has finals experience and a defensive attitude to a young team which he learned from the veterans on the celtics. There is a reason why young teams don't often make the playoffs they don't know what it takes on both ends.
     
  9. KlutchQT

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    OP is beginning to sound absolutely bat****. Deep breaths, dude.
     
  10. AvgJoe

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    I'm referring to effort. Lin and Parsons aren't good at defense, but their effort is there. Harden? It's just laziness. Hate him for doing that let my guy drive by and poke it from behind move. What's most frustrating is Harden is fully capable of defending. He's strong with long arms, is a better defender than Lin and Parsons when given effort. Harden is young, but McHale can't make him buy into defense or at least provide the effort, then McHale is to be blamed there.
     
  11. sun12

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    Biggest weakness of McHale is that his coaching staff did not teach defense very well.

    Harden has not made any progress in terms of defense

    Parsons actually regressed in terms of defense.
     
  12. THELANDLORD

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    you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.

    He knows he is the best player on the team and he is a young emerging superstar who hasn't yet taken pride in defense. He will someday learn. What do you want McHale to do take him out of games and sit him every time he doesn't play defense? That will just piss him off it won't inspire him. You need to keep him bought in the system. This is why we need veteran players who are defensive minded around a young team like this.
     
  13. pippendagimp

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    i would add jerry sloan to the list of prospective replacements as well.

    and we should be 13-2 right now with even the most average of coaches. the fourth quarter fiasco's against LAL, PHI, and DAL were simply inexcusable. you are likely correct that he will not be let go anytime soon. it's just not our front office's style to do so. but he will not be brought back season.

    so he will get his full season with all this talent. and like i said, he will never ever get to the finals as a head coach. believe me, it's not something i'm happy to type.
     
  14. AvgJoe

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    The ability to manage and make your star player buy into the system is one important aspect of a good coach. That is why despite Kobe and Shaq's issues with each other, they still bought into Phil's system and won championships. I'm certain if Phil was still the head coach, the situation of Howard in LA would have been different. If McHale can't even handle one star player on the team, with Howard added and potential 3rd star from trading, how do you think the team will play? You are making excuse for McHale. If he can't handle Harden, you don't get other veterans to cover up for Harden, you hire a new coach who can control Harden and make him buy into the system
     
  15. THELANDLORD

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    kobe and shaq didn't have an issue till after they won championships together so horrible example because guess what even with phil they couldn't make it work after that and had to trade one of them...its a players league hearing your problems coming from another player is going to sting a lot more than coming from your coach.

    So you would fire a coach over one players effort on defense when he is surrounded by offensive minded players? I'm glad your just a poster...
     
  16. caneks

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    This is a big joke. How is Morey the best GM in the leagure?

    I am ok with them but never a big fan for both Mchale and Morey.

    McHale is Morey's choice. One leaves, both leave.
     
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    Mchale has
    the gift of the gab
     
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    1) he wants a coach that will buy into his philosophies, not many coaches are comfortable with the high level of involvement (Adelman)

    2) He rebuilt the entire roster in record time after the official end of the Yao Era, whilst remaining competitive, landed not one, but two superstar calibre players and continues to find undervalued, ill-utilized players out of nowhere (Scola, Brooks, Casspi,Landry, etc etc). When he has made errors, Ariza, he still manages to get value and for the better part make up for his errors. The most glaring is the terrence williams trade, but I'll take HARDEN AND HOWARD over a non-event draft pick.

    MOH.
     
  19. AvgJoe

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    And how many did they win before they sent Shaq away? They had problems throughout the championship run for years! And it was when Shaq start to decline they shipped him out. And we are talking about Kobe here. I'm giving out an extreme example.

    Back to McHale, I was only giving one example of Harden's effort on D, but who said he doesn't have other problems McHale has no power of. Harden's ISO, everyone on this board agrees it is too much. Our coaching stuff said it is not good for the team. McHale said the ball got sticky and what happened? Harden still does it all day and all night long. I am talking about McHale's control of Harden in general. He simply cannot control Harden. How do you want to fix that? What you are suggesting is to get veterans with better D to cover up Harden's D and cover up McHale's inability to control Harden. How do you cover up Harden's ISO? And is that what you really want Harden to be? A player relying on other players to cover his weakness, or you want him to become a well rounded super star that can take us to the championship? To do that, he needs to be controlled and McHale can't do that.
     
  20. AvgJoe

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    McHale was hired for the 2011 team, that team only has Parsons left. McHale was not hired for this 2013 team. I understand McHale is a new coach, inexperienced, but we are trying to win championships with this team. If we were rebuilding, McHale is great for that. He's a good leader, mentor and motivator, but he's not a championship coach.
     

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