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How did "flopping" become so prevalent...

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by giddyup, May 6, 2005.

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  1. giddyup

    giddyup Member

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    I would want over-ruling instant replay with an alternate official. Throw in a technical foul and a fine after the fact-- payable to ClutchFans.net.... :D

    Another change I demand: no three point baskets from the top of the key unless the shooter yells "BANK!"
     
  2. v3.0

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    Flopping is part of the game, always has, always will. It's a weak defensive mentality and I don't really respect the players that make a living doing that. It just tells me that the player can't hang with the player he's trying to guard so he needs the ref's help to defense his opponent.

    A blatant flop should just be called a foul on the flopper, the fouls will mount up and will eventually get him fouled out, that and he'll see that his flopping is negatively impacting his own team, and hopefully he'll quit. Nothing more frustrating to a flopper when he's not getting the calls he's angling for then tack on that he's gettin called for it...it'll eventually make him think twice about flopping.
     
  3. JusBleezy

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    Dude.........you too!?! I swear I've been yelling for this rule since 95! It is obvious you suck at 3's from the top of the key if you have to bank it and if you don't yell "Bank!" it should not be allowed. I mean it is really only fair they have to yell it....and loud enough the officials can hear it.....

    *rofl*;)
     
  4. giddyup

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    I'm with ya. I didn't express that very well. Of course, I meant a 3-pt basket from the top of the key than <b>banks in</b> would need to be accompanies by a crystal clear "BANK!"

    I saw Heinrich slam one in in that Wizards game last night. He didn't even laugh about it. Remember, the Rockets lost a game to the Knicks early in the season when some Knick racked on in as the buzzer went off....
     
  5. FrontRowJoe

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    Fining is not the answer. When a player makes a zillion dollars every year, what's a few thousand to him?

    The answer is two-fold:

    1. Refs have to stop making the call. Stop rewarding the players for flopping, and they'll back off.

    2. Make it a flagrant foul. Two shots, plus the ball. Two per game, and you're outta there! Penalize THE TEAM for flopping, and it'll taper off dramatically.
     
  6. Rocket104

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    I think people are always blaming the refs, but it is really, really hard to determine whether someone is actually hit if you only have one on-the-court view of the action. During this series, I think there was one Dirk flop where it looked like he may have gotten clocked by an elbow by Yao (?) and it wasn't even close... the closest ref couldn't have known that unless he was on the opposite side of the floor.

    The fines after the fact - that's the only way to do it. A review of the game that includes TV feeds to determine whether each foul was legit (they do that now anyway, I believe - why not check for flops?).

    Yes, the fines may be small in terms of the player's salary... BUT the frequency of the fines (and the snickers from the media/fans) would most definitely have an effect.

    If they didn't, then start handing out suspensions for every 20 flops.

    Whatever - a foul is a foul whether you get smacked and hold your ground or if you go flying across half-court. I just wish these guys would man up.
     
  7. Der Rabbi

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    Flops need to be technical fouls for unsportsmanlike conduct.

    All flop team: 5 Vlade, 4 K Malone, 3 Reggie Miller, 2 Derek Fisher, 1 John Stockton.
     
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    yes, video review, fines after the fact - a one game suspension for ten flops caught on tape. If they still flop - after twenty are found - make em wear a skirt on the court for a month. Aside from Doug Christie, I think most players would get the message.
     
  9. giddyup

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    Any system of fines needs to be based on a percentage of game salary or, better yet, of total compensation.

    These fines that would have rocked Oscar Robertson just don't touch Paul Pierce anymore.
     
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    It's dishonest.

    I like the yellow card idea in soccer.
     
  11. SmeggySmeg

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    international ball changes it's rules a year ago to allow punishing a flop with a tech foul

    the big thing is refs probably don't have the ability to call them as they have been falling for the flops for years...

    they would need a video review system, leading to fines and maybe for repeat offenders a small suspension...

    or players as a collective could just choose to do the right thing and stop doing it
     
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    I was thinking about this point and initially felt that they would need a review system. Yet, the more I think about it, they should be able to spot the floppers during action. Yeah, they'll miss a few calls, lord knows they miss enough now, and maybe Nowitzki will get called for a flop when it was a legit charge. But the premise of calling out the cheats should discourage it overall.
     
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    That's why you gotta admire PGA golfers. In the NBA it is accepted that you try and cheat and it is great if you get away with and "oh well" if you get caught.
     
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    I just don't think flopping in and of itself hurts anything. In HS, we were taught to 'fall down', which is essentially flopping, to draw attention to the contact in order to get a charge called. This was like 15 years ago, so nothing new. You basically can't get a charging call without a flop. If everyone just stood their ground, there would be no charges called. What makes flopping bad is the refs blowing the whistle when there really isn't significant contact made. It's fairly obvious to everyone what is and isn't legitimate contact; it should be obvious to the refs as well, who see it every day and make a living calling games.
     

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