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How come Dubai and Qatar do not seem to have to worry about terror?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AroundTheWorld, Dec 2, 2010.

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  1. AMS

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    :)

    Best post in this thread.
     
  2. weslinder

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    I do too, but I do think it's somewhat less of a target than others for a simple reason: Middle Eastern terrorism is more organized and directed than Western terrorism. In the US, we have had terrorists like Timothy McVeigh that pull off major attacks without being told, with little help. It might be called the "rugged individualist" terrorist. Even today, some of the terrorists that the FBI is talking into action are small groups, but others, like the guy from Portland and the Times Square bomber, are individual terrorists. An individual terrorist is more likely to attack the symbol of whatever he is against nearest him, while a "terrorism network" would be more selective. Individual Muslim extremists may be appalled by Dubai and Qatar, but the terror networks get at least some funding from people that live there, and aren't going to bite the hand that feeds them.
     
  3. Mathloom

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    lol I'm sure you assumed that before starting the thread.

    Also, it's not a viewpoint. It's factual.

    Al Qaeda exists solely because the "protector" of the Kaaba in Mecca (Saudi king) is, in his view, an American puppet >> which is unacceptable because it is against a major sharia law which says foreign troops should not be allowed to have a stronghold in the "holy" country of Saudi Arabia.

    This is why Al Qaeda attacks the US, and this is why it attacks others that are viewed as puppets of the US.

    It's presence in Yemen is to annoy Saudi, and it chose Yemen because this is the easiest place to be annoying and be able to hide.

    It doesn't annoy the other nations as much because they have historically been viewed as the "litte brothers" of Saudi, but seeing as they are not in the "holy land", they are not so important so long as they don't mess with the mission.

    How can you not know this?
     
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    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    ATW,

    Why did OBL go to Afghanistan?

    Why does he attack Saudi, home of the Kaaba and where he tries to do most of his recruiting, and where his family lives?
     
  5. AroundTheWorld

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    So in your opinion there are rational reasons for Al Qaeda's existence?

    Why are there terrorist attacks in Egypt, but not in Dubai?
     
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    To me, it is as likely that he is in Dubai as that he is in Afghanistan. I have no idea where he is.
     
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    hahahaha riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. No, I'm telling you as a fact, the rationale for their existence is different than what you seem to think.

    I'm not pulling your leg. Can you please watch any documentary or read any book that covers the birth of Al Qaeda?
     
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    That's not what I said.

    Do you know the answers to those questions?

    Why did he go to Afghanistan and why does he attack Saudi, a country that most closely follows his deluded view of Islam?
     
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    What do you have to say about what several posters said on this thread (including muslim posters), that Dubai probably finances - or is used to finance - Al Qaeda and that that is why they have not been attacked?
     
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    Assuming you're correct that Muslim terrorists spare the UAE because it would interfere with their own finances, then what? What are you proposing be done?

    Also, my undereducated assumption on why Egypt has terrorism that UAE does not is that Egypt has a signficant domestic group of extremists which is making attacks locally to affect the politics in their own country, while the UAE doesn't have a significant native presence (because of culture, security/law enforcement, self-interest, or I-don't-know-what) and would therefore need to be attacked by foreign terrorists. And those foreign terrorists simply have their eyes elsewhere.
     
  11. penda45

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    glynch FTW!
     
  12. Mathloom

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    Well, I think there is nothing to prove such claims, so they are just on the opposite end of the bias scale when I say it's not true.

    Money laundering can be done with far more ease through other GCC countries, more importantly, through hundreds of other countries in the world.

    Though the UAE's money laundering enforcement leaves a lot to be desired in terms of enforcement, it's certainly head and shoulders above the rest of the region. I can't see why they would selecet the UAE to launder money.

    Ofcourse, never say never. It happens everywhere, so the UAE's susceptibility to it and proximity indicates that - if it EVER happens in developed economies, then certainly it is likely to be missed in Dubai as well.

    As far as the thread is concerned, I think it's clear now that you need to know more about Al Qaeda before rushing to conclusions based on rumors.

    There's a FATF report out there somewhere, it's from a few years ago, which discusses AML regulations in the UAE. Maybe you can dig it up if you're so interested in the truth.
     
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    ATW, you can't really be this ignorant, considering the amount of your life you seem to devote to the"study" of violent Muslim extremists.

    In short, al Zawahiri, the #2 in al Qaeda and the person most believe to be its architect/puppet-master, used to be the #1 in Egyptian Islamic Jihad.

    He's from Egypt. He was imprisoned (and tortured) in Egypt for being part of a failed coup attempt. He is, notably, still a bit pissed at Egypt, and he's the sort that holds on to his grudges.

    Please, buy a copy of Lawrence Wright's The Looming Tower. It's a pretty good history of al Qaeda, well-researched and clinical in its point of view, and takes a look at the various viewpoints of its members and (whatever you think of them) their justifications for their actions/its founding.
     
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    What significance does it have where they are from? They attack pretty much everywhere else in the world also where they are not from, why not in the Emirates?
     
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    The founding members of al Qaeda have blood vendettas against the leaders of Egypt & Saudi Arabia, and, completely ignoring their easily-researched backstories, you think it odd that they prefer to attack those places rather than others?

    WTH?
     
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    They also attack in England, Spain, all over the place. I understand that they have additional reasons in Egypt and Saudi Arabia, still doesn't explain why Dubai, Qatar et al. seem to be off-limits (obviously I hope it stays that way as I will be there soon, but I don't know why you react so aggressively to a question like that).
     
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    Omg.

    Dude, I answered your question. What's wrong with you?

    OBL was pissed that the Saudi king did not let him defend Saudi from Saddam, and preferred to let America station troops in the kingdom.

    Realizing that Saudi is ultimately under the control of the US, his target becomes the US.

    Why don't they attack China? Why don't they attack Rwanda? Why don't they attack Brazil?

    Are you intentionally ignoring this, or are you too proud to admit that you are not well informed on the topic?
     
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    Also, the UAE is about 7 million people concentrated in two cities.

    Saudi is around 30 million spread out, huge border with Yemen.

    Now that I think about it, this is a great question for you.

    Considering how liberal the UAE and Qatar are, versus how conservative Saudi is, why does Qaeda not attack the UAE or Qatar?

    Also, I just want to check because many people have told you this.. You realize that Dubai is not a country right?
     
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    Why so angry? I am sure you do not have anything to hide, right, so why so angry? :confused:

    Actually, while researching islamist terror in China, I just stumbled upon a potential terror attack in Dubai, funnily enough. Surprised you were not aware of that case.

    China:

    In 2007, ETIM militants in cars shot Chinese nationals in Pakistani Balochistan and sent a videotape of the attack to Beijing, in retaliation for an execution of an ETIM official earlier that July.[1] ETIM also took credit for a spate of attacks before the 2008 Summer Olympics, including a series of bus bombings in Kunming, an attempted plane hijacking in Urumqi,[17] and an attack on paramilitary troops in Kashgar that killed 17 officers.[20] On June 29, 2010, a court in Dubai convicted two members of an ETIM cell of plotting to bomb a government-owned shopping mall that sold Chinese goods.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Turkestan_Islamic_Movement

    Rwanda: I guess it is too far away and not significant enough. Both do not hold true for Dubai.

    Brazil: I think Brazil has been a retreat for islamist terrorists for a while, isn't that where they caught the fat hairy Sheikh who was no. 2 or 3 and is suspected of having plotted 9/11? I remember passing by some large houses in Brazil that had huge signs in front of them that said something about some "Islamist" or "Islamic" organization being in them, near Iguazu. Just googled that.

    http://www.offnews.info/verArticulo.php?contenidoID=1929
     
  20. AroundTheWorld

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    But that was exactly my question :confused:.

    Yeah, I know, it's the UAE. I just keep saying Dubai is a country incorrectly, don't know exactly why.
     

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