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How close is Yao Ming

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by FranchiseBlade, Jun 1, 2004.

  1. yipengzhao

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    competition hinders.

    this is why Yao is not as good as Tim Duncan at a similar age. when TD was in college, he had the likes of Marcus Camby to compete against. when Yao was in China, his biggest hill to climb was Wang Zhizhi. there's a difference.

    but now Yao's competition is Duncan. your potential is always limited to your competition, i feel. there's no proble with that anymore.
     
  2. lost_elephant

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    i call bs. the way you describe a jump ball, is where little faireys stand side by side and wait for the knight in shining armor to toss the ball up and when the ball peaks, both jump and try and control it.

    this is not how a jumpball is in basketball. Its all about who can steal it on the way up, half the jumpballs are already gone by the time the ball is level with yaos head. im not being an apologizer for him on that, because i love it when steve ties someone up, lets say a 7 footer, but steals the tip and we get the possesion.
     
  3. hitman1900

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    Besides the rebounding problem, I think Yao needs to learn how to hold the ball differently on the low block. There are far too many times he has been stripped by the way he holds the ball from the top of the sides. This can probably go under hand strength, but I think this is really important because this is where he usually operates.

    Also, he's been using the fadeaway as his go to move, and I think far too many big men use that as their crutch. I have no idea why he got away from his array of post moves this past season. I'd love for him to work on his hook (skyhook anyone?) a little bit more, it would make him even more deadly offensively.

    Still, I really like with what he has done this past year. He's progressing rather nicely, and really that's all we can ask for. I'd say his goal should be around 22 pts and hopefully 10 rebounds.
     
  4. m_cable

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    He already averages 9 rpg. If he improved on some of the things you mentioned then he'd be in the 10-11 rpg range. And if he did all of it, then I don't think it's a stretch for him to be hauling down 14-15 rpg. Oviously it's not as easy as it sounds. Extreme tenacity when going after the ball is a rare strength, and you don't go about aquiring it overnight.
     
  5. daoshi

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    Yao is a good rebounder, not a GREAT rebounder, but a GOOD one! When you see the Rockets ranked as a top rebounding team in the league, you know they are doing someing right with their rebounding. You rebounding as a team, not individually.
     
  6. Hmm

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    14-15 rpg? Aren't those Dennis Rodman numbers?
     
  7. wireonfire

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    I wouldn't say Yao is a good rebounder, but you do have a point. Yao often boxes out and lets his roommates to grab it if he is sure no opponent is around. I'd say he loses one or two boards a game like that.
     
  8. FranchiseBlade

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    As far as Yao being a good rebounder it depends on the night. When he's on top of his game, he's definitely one of the better rebounders in the league.

    On nights when he's not having a good game, he's a very poor rebounder. In the end it averages out to about 9 rebounds per game.
     
  9. m_cable

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    Yeah pretty much. And if Yao had Rodman's tenacity at going for rebounds then he would be up in 16+ territory.
     
  10. wireonfire

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    I really don't think so. ;) Yao simply doen'st have the quickness, the lift in his jump. And he has a little butter fingers in grabbing the ball too.
     
  11. m_cable

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    If Yao had Rodman's tenacity, then he would maximixe all of his strengths. His height and large wingspan make up for any deficiencies in terms of quickness, and leaping. Charles Barkley wasn't a guy that would "sky" for rebounds either. He used his positioning, and determination to throw his weight around and really crash the boards. If Yao had that kind of mentality, then he could definitely do it. But obviously it's a moot point unless he starts rebounding like his life depends on it.
     
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    Theo Ratliff ,Jamaal Magloire,Pau Gasol ,Jermaine O'Neal,Erick Dampier,Ben Wallace,Marcus Camby ,Shawn Bradley,Amare Stoudemire these are the people that end up holding yao ming and most of them are a 4 slash center.

    some one get me yao ming averages when these men are guarding him and vise versa.

    yao scored most of his points on the other team scub centers and from what I saw he would have some big games angist some of these people then the next time around have a mediocore game.

    being 7 foot 6 he should dominate all of these people but that dont happen.

    agianst bradley he cant finish ,agianst najhra or whatever his name is he cant catch the ball.

    he cant bang with theo ir dampier but he came thru once agianst theo this year .

    gasol gives him the same problem najarha does

    and its alot of other teams like the heat give us problems cause yao is too slow right now.

    i hope next year he is alot quicker and stronger are we will; be in the same boat next year with a first round exit if that
     
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    actually, Charles Barkeley was a very explosive jumper and very quick for his size. I do hope Yao works on his explosiveness and quickness.


     
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    its interesting to note that at the same points in their careers, yao was rebounding at the same clip as rodman was. if yao continues his pace set between years 1 and 2...(from 8 rebounds to 9, and next year from 9-10.) he wouldve had better rebounding numbers in each of rodmans first 4 seasons.

    i think yao will naturally progress to a 12 rpg type player, even with his deficiencies.
     
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    guys, a 7-6 310lb giant don't have the quickness and explosiveness of a 6-10 230lb guy. You are asking mother nature to create a freak. She's already made one in Shaq, who is paying the price (injuries).
     
  17. dragon167

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    your thread

    right after your thread

    Is Charles Barkley your closest friend? You can follow his route and kiss......errrrrr........never mind. :D
     
  18. pootman00

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    dragon167

    Yes Sir Charles is my personal friend. Of course we all know about your personal relationship with Yao Ming. Feel free to get up off of your knees when u get a chance. :D
     
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    a few indiscrepancies i thought i would point out:

    hakeem may have taken 10 yrs to get a ring, but
    A:he played in an era, against the some of the most dominant centers the nba has ever seen
    B:he led his team to the finals his first season, and always led the team in rebounds
    C:he played with passion and determination that yao has never shown.

    please dont compare them, yao will never be near as good as hakeem.

    also,
    yaos main problems can all be resolved by attitude and heart, can they be learned? i am not sure, but i doubt it. yao will be very good, but never consistantly dominant, unless he changes his attitude.
     
  20. dragon167

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    LOL. First, Yao Ming is Big Z's personal caddie and Eddie Najera's personal prison girlfriend. Now Barkley is your personal friend and I also have personal relationship with Yao Ming.

    I am sorry I didnt realise hatred would cause delusion. Get well soon. I'm done.
     

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