Sorry Geek I'm from the planet Earth, and IT WAS FIGURE OF SPEECH. I didn't literally mean everybody, but I've ran into people who think the way dylan thinks, and I can kind of understand because things like this are horrible. If everybody always thanked god we wouldn't have so many people who don't believe in god, and if everybody always thanked god dylan wouldn't be posting what he posted, and I SERIOUSLY doubt he is a lone voice. But I come from earth, and everybody doesn't do the same thing.
Man Rocketman95 I can't believe you just made a blanket statement about an entire religion. Don't blame Christians, blame me because it was my opinion. To go out and blame an entire religion is absolutely a joke. I can tell you that, although most people thanked god even though they lost loved ones, a lot of them thought he abandoned them. I don't judge them, I just gave my opinion. You don't even know if I'm Christian or not so before you rip all Christians find out. Just lay the blame on me and my opinion.
I've had a lot of thoughts on this matter in the last few months. My Mother died in April (at the age of 48) from brain cancer. I've felt so robbed and cheated about all this and I've been pretty angry. My brother and Father both are devout Christians and they seemed satisfied w/ saying that it was God's will that she left us and at least she is no longer in pain. I'm sorry, but I still can't buy that it would be God's will to take away her pain at that point because if that is true, than was it God's will to rape my family for the last 6 years by slowly killing my Mother and was it also his will to rob me of the opportunity to share the rest of my life with her? I'm only 26 so she never had the opportunity to see me get married or have children. Those events just aren't going to be the same in the future because she won't be around. My personal thoughts on the whole religion matter is that there is a higher power or God (if you will), but I don't think this being takes an active hand in things. I don't believe in miracles. I certainly don't mean to offend anywhere here, but these are my beliefs. What I'm trying to say is that I don't think that God is responsible for the tragic accidents and I don't think he is responsible for the lives that were saved. Maybe this is a bleak outlook, but it seems that if God wanted to save those lives, he would have done so before they crashed into the buildings.
OK I'm gonna wade into this mess now. I was raised Episcopalion which is really church of England which Henry 8 made to divorce wife #1. I'm personally agnostic which simply means I'm choosing no sides when it comes to religon. I will never denegrate those who have real faith and actually appreciate them if they indeed follow their faith and basically do good unto all others. I think religon often gets in the way of faith though sometimes it can foster it a be for the good. Organized religon has often though done more harm then good and hypocritically supported very evil acts. Again not all religon and I'm not choosing one over another. I personally can often feel quite spiritual when I'm in a place of great beauty but I don't feel that I'm big enough or connected into the universe enough to understand these feelings. So I'm philisophically agnostic which means I claim no religon over any other because i just don't know what it all means and I'm not currently willing to accept what I think of as mans explanations (Bible Koran and such) I think that Stephen Hawkings and other theoretical physicist like him are at least approaching this from a way I can better hope to understand. But when I'm on top of a big mountain looking around I can say i feel something. So my suggestion to you all is to follow the ten commandments just because its a way to be as humans and keep looking around and always question everything some religous figure tells you if it isn't something you know is right within you. And never denegrate a person for having a differing faith but only if they are complete a$$holes.
I would like to commend moestavern19 and RocksMillenium for their great comments and contributions. Rocketman 95, I hope GOD will find and purge the evil and void within you. In fact why don't you come over to my house. I'll show you my guns and take you to church.
I'm an agnostic leaning towards atheism for the most part. But when these events took place, I felt myself reaching out for something. I'm not sure if anything replied or not. I felt calmer, but then... prayer is a great method of meditation. I'm definitely not a Christian... but I am spiritual. Many have written extensively on the problem of evil and theism. Some of it has even been persuasive. Arthur Peacocke, CS Lewis, and St. Augustine all make good points on the subject from a religious perspective. It seems few great atheist/agnostic thinkers lost faith due to the problem of evil, but I do remember one statement, as many do: "I refuse the ticket to Paradise" (may be paraphrased slightly). Ivan decides that if even one child's suffering is necessary to God's eternal plan, or allowed... then it's a farce.
Sounds like a fun time. Can i come over too? I won't believe in heaven and hell, No saints, no sinners, no Devil as well, No pearly gates, no thorny crowns, You're always letting us humans down. The wars you bring, the babes you drown. Those lost at sea and never found, And it's the same the whold world 'round. The hurt I see helps to compound, That the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, Is just somebody's unholy hoax, And if you're up there you'll perceive, That my heart's here upon my sleeve. If there's one thing I don't believe in... It's you, Dear God. - XTC
I'm still trying to figure out which void I need filling. And how some f*ckin guy who feels the need to carry a gun to make up for some other inadequacies would even know what they are.
This is one of the many reasons I am a complete athiest. I am against modern organized religion, although it does help some people get through situations like this. I know exactly what you are saying, Dylan, but you shouldn't bother. This is one of the most religious countries in the world, and that isn't going to change for a while.
First off, ill admit im a devout Christian However, i tend to disagree with RM that people blame bad stuff on God, and dont mention him in good deeds they do. It seems to me its more along BGM's view: I cant tell you howmany athletes in particular, say they couldnt have done something without the Lord. As for why I believe in Jesus and Christianity, about 5-6 yrs ago when i was younger i had a dentist appointment, where i was informed i basically had a 99% chance of having a root canal-and i knew how much fun that would be . Thus, I went home and prayed for my tooth to heal without having the root canal. Now 1st off, let me say i dont believe you have to go to Church every sunday to be considered a Christian and I realize some Christians out there may consider this story I tell to be offensive in that I may come across as selfish, I really am not. Anyways, a few days after I prayed I felt no pain in the tooth and from then on I went from a believer because of my upbringing to a believer because I felt I had experienced a renaissance. To this day, I am actively involved in a Christian organization, Young Life, and I try my best to lead my life for the Lord and I do believe it has helped me mature a lot, and overcome many of my biggest problems in life.
I'm not trying to argue on the "Why bad things happen despite the existence of God?" issue, because something real bad did happen, and there is indeed a God. So bad things do happen. I'm not trying to add oil to the fire, but the Bible says it very clearly that there will be disasters in the end of days. We are right here in the end of the days. So I would assume yesterday's incident was one of them (Yes. ONE of THEM. If you believe what the Bible says). God is the final victor, but the world as of now still belongs to the evil power. God could have been involved and made the situation better ...... but because He is God, we mere humans just can't understand His act. RM, I agree with you wholeheartedly. People give thanks to themselves when good things happen, and blame God when bad things do. Sorry guys! If I did add oil to the fire. Tell you the truth, I have a cousin (and his family) and a very close friend who work on the 40th and 101st floors of the WTC, respectively. I haven't been able to contact them. I know they go to work early in the morning.
