How can China, India, Russia and the US reduce CO2 emissions?

It’s absolutely not enough as I have stated. It’s an example of an approach based on capitalism, something you asked about. If you want to compare US vs China or anyone else and less about the methods and possibility, I’m not interested.

 

But there wasn’t a big government spending program to achieve this. Because that is what is really at stake. Go vegan if you want to lower greenhouse emissions.

 

Forgive my cynicism re: Russia, China and India surrounding protecting the environment. I don't know what came over me.

 

China is facing much pressure to clean their dirty coal polluted air. When I was in Beijing a few months ago, it was literally snowing white dust about half of the time. The local said it’s common. It’s no way to live. The rich folks send their family with children to school in the US west coast. That’s how bad it is with their air. Even if they care nothing about climate change, they care about improving their air. But they do care about climate change. They do not have denialism about it and they know the impact to their coastal cities.

Whatever you think of the Chinese government and their people, they are practical and they like most people and governments want to balance their economy, economic growth vs environmental protection. They also see an economic growth opportunity and are investing heavily in green initiatives.

Here's how China is going green

China wants to dominate the world’s green energy markets – here’s why


While we and everyone should push all polluters to do their part, it’s not an excuse for us to do less. This is a talking point often used by those against the USA doing more, and often it’s an exaggeration. Last I checked, there is only one small pale blue dot that we all can call home.


p.s. We are fool if we continue to stick to old technology and lose out on the next energy revolution

 

Let me take txtony's last post to highlight where he's wrong, and where his thinking falls apart. txtony - take this as free education for you, because your thinking is flawed.

1. Learn to separate words from actions. The US is leading the world in cutting CO2 emissions. China's CO2 emissions are at very bad levels.
2. Because China is saying the right words, you think they are doing something good. Because Trump pulled out of the Paris climate agreement, you think the US is doing something bad, even though the US is actually getting results, whereas China is not.
3. There is an intense desire (in the US anyways, very much less so in many other places around the world) to be seen as virtuous and a good person - this often overwhelms the desire to take the actions that would lead to actual results. China's talking the talk, but the US is the one getting actions. But, you claim the US is on the wrong course, whereas China's got it right.
4. You are likely also of the mindset that no good can come unless the government mandates it to be so. This is a classic liberal logic flaw. The US' energy innovation is leading the way for our CO2 reductions. We don't need to be part of a potentially economically harmful Paris climate agreement to get the job done.

 

When the USA was the number one polluter the US did nothing. I give these credit for taking the lead while the US still does nothing.

 

US was the leader in cutting CO2 emissions last year.

Your problem is that you'd rather be outraged than informed. Educate yourself.

 

You fool of fools - you just championed Obama without realizing it. You are so clueless in your partisan idiocy you don't even realize what a laughing stock you've become. You aren't even worthy of a response from me so you're lucky you are getting one.

You are hyping a cut that was a result of Obama's Clean Power Plan that is currently in the process of being reversed by the current idiot Trump EPA.

 

You're wrong again. America's natural gas revolution gets the credit.

"Rather be outraged than informed" -- that's Sweet Lou 4 2 in brief.

 

Who are you? ...and what heat are you referring to?

Global economic gains need to slow down? Why? Are you aware that the US reduced CO2 emissions last year? You and Sweetie Lou need to take some time to educate yourselves, then come back and post after you finish with that education process. Until then, you're not going to get much response from me, since I don't enjoy spending my time talking to ignorant uninformed folks.

 

That linked post wasn’t even addressed to me.

Your views are not based on facts, but rather outrage and emotion. Educate yourself.

 

And a big part of Obama's clean power plan was to push utilities to modernize to use natural gas over coal.

So you can thank Obama for that cut and stop being such a useless person for once.

 

Hahaha educate yourself, kid. Check the economics of natural gas after the shale revolution. Protip - that wasn’t Obama.

 

Shale revolution started 10 years ago. Natural gas has been cheap but the drop in coal only came after Obama's policy change.

Be a grown-up, or at least try to act like one.

 

"Not jumping head first"? What the heck does that even mean? "Costing all living life"? lol, bro, no. You're off the deep end. That is a false choice, and if you're not smart enough to know that, then you're simply part of the lunatic fringe.

Now you're just making schit up. I never said that.

I'm done with you, kid. You need a massive educational effort - right now you, like Sweetie Pie Lou, are prioritizing outrage rather than informing yourselves.