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How about some affordable, under the radar screen, back court help?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Hottoddie, Jul 9, 2005.

  1. NIKEstrad

    NIKEstrad Member

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    Check your stats. His FG% rose from .466 to .467. Other than last year (small sample size), his FG% has been above 45% each of those 4 years. He's a career 38% 3P shooter (and he puts up a lot of them), has a career AST/TO better than 2- very good for a SG. Further, he's always been a very good defender (the main reason the Clippers brought him in), and one of the more impressive feats, has a STL/TO ratio better than 1- in fact, at 1.3 for his career, that's better than anyone put up this season.

    He was hurt this year, but played all 82 games the year before.

    For the league minimum, or maybe for the LLE with a team option on year 2, he may be worth a flier.

    Edit: I've always liked Dermarr Johnson, and he may fit in with our push to add length and athleticism (along with being a pretty solid shooter). If we hadn't drafted Head, I would've really liked Jeff McInnis...I'm amazed how the guy has flown completely under the radar when it's nearly a foregone conclusion Daniels will get the full MLE or more. Honestly, they're pretty close to being the same player, Daniels just has a positive intangibles tag attached to him right now. I don't really see us picking up any PG at this point.
     
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    I'll take a lot of those guys before Dickau. I'm sold on him being nothing more than an AVERAGE backup PG. Success on a bad team for part of the season (but not all of it) doesn't show a whole lot. Look at his whole game to see the holes, and see how he wouldn't fit in here. Poor D, poor ability to see the floor, relatively slow (quickness, not speed), and unathletic in the backcourt.. please no
     
  3. haven

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    This is a very good list. Of those on the list, I'm particularly intrigued by:

    Buckner, Dickau, Knight, Damon Jones, Antonio Daniels, and Bonzi Wells. Wells is obviously the biggest risk, but potentially the biggest reward. He flirted with stardom for a while, before losing his head.

    Wesley Person would be a great 15 minute player.
     
  4. Man

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    Devin Brown's good. Kareem Rush is good. Wesley Person would be good backup. But we already have Barry and/or Wesley...unless we trade them. Head seems to be similar to Brevin Knight.

    Daniels, Jaric, and Demarr Johnson would be really goods.

    The rest are pretty good additions. I wouldn't mind them..but young + quick over old and slow
     
  5. NIKEstrad

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    :confused: :confused:

    They're both solid on the ball defenders, but...Brevin Knight is very small point with excellent handles and playmaking skills and not much athleticism or outside shot. Luther Head has very good size for a point, great athleticism, a deadly outside shot, and questionable handles/playmaking for a point.

    If you want to compare Head to a current free agent, Daniels or McInnis are at least similar sizes and fit the "one and a half" description.
     
  6. haven

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    Except that Head is even more similar to Mike James than either of them ;).
     
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    Head seems to be similar to Brevin Knight.
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    If Luther Head can average 9 assists a game without many turnovers, then we can focus on a shooter. I am not sure if Head can accomplish those numbers in his first 2 seasons.
     
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    If Luther Head can average 9 assists a game without many turnovers, then we can focus on a shooter. I am not sure if Head can accomplish those numbers in his first 2 seasons.[/QUOTE]

    Except, with our personnel, I tend to think that shooting is essential for every position. If you have a single guy to sag off of...it's too easy to collapse on Yao, who isn't the world's best player at handling double teams.
     
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    Kareem Rush (UFA) instead of Person
    Earl Watson (UFA) instead of James
    Damon Jones instead of Sura
    Kevin Willis (UFA) instead of Deke
    Swift
     
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    I like the idea of Jaric playing the 1 because of his length and shooting abilities. I see him being a better version of Sura. His height will really help the teams overall rebounding and perimeter defense.

    No matter what happen in free agency, I cant wait till Nov. The fact that the Rox made the majority of their progress in the later parts of the year tells me that they will be in a better position next year regardless with a whole year of playing together. :cool:
     
  11. Hottoddie

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    To be perfectly honest, I was focusing more so on his 3pt shooting % & should've discounted last year all together. But, I felt last year was relevant, due to his age. You're right that his FG% didn't drop, but I'd hardly call .001 %, a rise either. However, the following year, his FG% dropped from .467 to .453. If we take his previous year's (01/02) 438 FGM/940 FGA's & extrapolate them out to the number of shots taken in 03/04 (434 FGM/959 FGA), he missed ~12-13 more shots as a result of his % drop. That's not much over an 82 game season, but it does show a drop in production when you take into consideration that his 3pt % has dropped in each of those 3 years (-.054%). Right or wrong, that's why I feel his skills are starting to errode. Our SG's have got to be good 3pt shooters.

    (01/02) .466 FG% .405 3pt%
    (02/03) .467 FG% .356 3pt%
    (03/04) .453 FG% .351 3pt%
    (04/05) .384 FG% .333 3pt% Only played in 11 games.


    I must admit though, when I was putting that list together, I was asking myself what kind of defenders these guys are. So, my opinions are based solely on their offensive stats & nothing more.
     
  12. Desert Scar

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    I think Kittles would be a fine LLE signing. Remember we can also bring back Barry for 1.8 mil x 1.25 (if like old CBA) without using another exemption.

    I think we need to settle our 4 spot 1st. If we get a 4 outright (MLE) than we use the LLE to target an SG. If there is some kind of trade involved that includes Sura or James we first need to use the MLE or most of it for a PG.

    I personally am not that worried about the backcourt. It was made worse in the Dallas series because we had to spread our 1s and 2s over three spots (1,2,& 3). We get a legit 4 to share with JH and we are OK. I am fine going late into FA with the following backcourt so long as we never have to play Tmac at the 4 again:

    SG: DW, JB, Head
    PG: Sura, James, Head

    Than we used the LLE for undervalued SG/SF. We can even wait late, because a guy like Finley or Houston or another lux tax player might not get cut until Oct 1 I believe. Holding on the LLE might get you a bargain late. Finally if a late LLE move does come out or say Head looks years away from contributing, than we can pursue a sign and trade with an expiring contract. Thus IMO we can be patient and very calculating for maximum value with upgrading our starting backcourt or depth.
     
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    Damon Stoudamire
     
  14. Hottoddie

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    Hmmmm, my thinking is a little different. While we're negotiating for a PF, we could also have our choice of guards right now. Why not offer the minimum to one of these players now, to see if they'll bite. With Wesley's contract expiring at the end of the season, we could try to trade him afterwards or just release him, if the player we're bringing in is considered an upgrade.

    Once all the big name players are taken, every team in the NBA will be bidding for the remaining role players, which will most likely drive the prices up. By going after some of these players now, we could force other teams, that might be a competitor for our PF of choice, to make a move that'll take them out of the race.
     
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    If the Hawks get Joe Johnson, Al Harrington can be had. I would rather have him at the 3/4 and either move mcGrady to the 2 or move Harrington to the 4 and put howard on the bench.
     
  16. Hottoddie

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    Why do you feel Harrington would be available? One's a 2/3 & one's a 3/4. Harrington is one of the few big men they have & at ~$6.8 million, he's cheap.

    Besides, Phoenix has already indicated that they'll match any max offer he gets.
     
  17. drpepper

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    I wouldn't mind Rush, Daniels, or Johnson.

    But, what I'd really like is to add is an athletic undrafted 2/3. I like the idea of having a couple of rookies on the team each year. We haven't had any since Yao and Boki were drafted a few years ago. Some players that come to mind are:

    Alan Anderson
    Stephen Graham
    Donell Taylor
    Eddie Basden
    Kennedy Winston
    Jawad Williams
    Vytas Danelius (do it all type player)
    Carlos Dixon
    Jack Ingram (taller Padgett clone)
     
  18. micah1j

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    Didn't Barry said he would like to come back but if we don't want him back he will retire? If so then he wants to come back to play not for the money. Sign him to the vet minimum around 1.2M. (I think)
     
  19. NIKEstrad

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    Tracy McGrady's 3P% has dropped each of the last 3 season. Should we be that worried about him? Above 45% FG% is really excellent for a 2 guard- for example, Cuttino is yet to shoot above 44% in any season. You see a drop off (and if you write off the .001 rise in FG%, I'll write off the .005 drop in 3P%), I see pretty consistent numbers. 35% 3P% is a number Antonio Daniels has only reached twice.

    Go through your list and see how many guys on your list get a 45% FG% and a 35% 3P% with any consistency, then we'll talk- some of them won't be half the defender Kittles is (or was, at least) anyway.
     
  20. drpepper

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    Kittles is still a good player and plays defense that would make VG proud. Obviously, the only knock(s) on him would be his health and his age. If we do bring him in, would the clipps be intrested in a S&T with Wesley. We could sell it on Wesley not having any serious injury's. This would only leave us vulnerable if Kittles went down again, but his size and athleticism is intriguing.
     

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