How about picking up JJ Reddick?

Just put a big guard against JJ and see what happens. Scoring mostly in garbage time skews the picture. I do like your idea of having a young Mark Price clone though.That would be awesome.

 

Stephen Smith: "I TOLD YOU JJ GOT UPS...HE GOT UPS MAN...WHITE BOY CAN DUNK!! Somebody, get me a cheeto!"

Charles Barkely: "Man, that was treble. You call that dunking. I don't know who's more athletic, JJ or Kenny."

Stuart Scott: "JJ with the dope dunk. That boy is mad crazy. Throwin down like Charlie Brown."

Jim Rome: "I can not believe it. Ridiculous. Clones, you thought he couldn't do it. Proving you wrong. Thanks for coming on JJ. Great job"

Skip Bayless: drawing a blank...i never listen to him....snore.

Bill Walton: "Throw it down little guy! That dunk was UN-BEE-LIEVE-ABLE! In 1952 I saw a dunk that rivaled that, but just barely. Has there ever been a Duke guard that has jumped like that?"

Kevin Harlan: "OHHHHHHHHHHH!! WOW! JJ Redick with the nasty dunk!"

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=141803

 

Reasons I would trade Redick for Head:

1) At the very worst he'll shoot at the same clip as Head

2) He won't see any time at PG unlike Head, so that will result in far less turnovers and more shot attempts. Even if they brick, a shot attempt is far better than a TO.

3) He is excellent running without the ball, perfect for motion offense. And with T-Mac and/or Yao on the court, he'll often find himself curling towards that arc with no defender within 10ft.

4) No more subbing Brooks(who is usually playing great) for Luther "Hot Potato" Head, which again, results in less TO's and more shot attempts.

 

DD, just forget your JJ and vspan.
Life is better here without them.

 

Incorrect about greatest weakness. He's slashed into the paint often with Yao, and he's shown he has the quickness to slash in the paint and go in hard for a lay up. He's done this more frequently this year than last.

His greatest weakness is his playmaking skills. He can be clumsy with the ball, and he makes ill advised passes that are off the mark and result in turnovers. His spot up shooting, and ability thats rarely utilized to slash and score is a great strength given the salary he's earning.

Last year he was one of the highest in 3 point %, and he's improved his mid range game this year which was one of his greatest weaknesses last year. As for the drop in his 3 point % this year, its attributed to the fact that the offensive scheme changed in the early part of the season, and he was coming off the bench with a secondary unit that couldn't get him open looks as well as Yao and McGrady did last year.

You can consider this a fault of his, but again its not like Redick would be better served under similar circumstances. I don't think its any coincidence that his scoring has gone up after receiving more playing time, and playing alongside Yao for more extended minutes.

About GS game being his best of his career, thats a stretch. He's had a good number of 20+ point games while shooting a high clip beyond the arc. The last game of the regular season against the Jazz last year he was dropping 3s like it was nothing. Lets not forget he's actually come through in the clutch last year with a couple of game winners. And people considered him a bargain and a sign that Rockets management had wised up, and learned who to pick in the draft.

The biggest knock off from the praise he was given last year compared to this year was his abysmal post season performance against the Jazz where he stunk it up. But again Redick faired far worse in crunch time in college. I've no doubt that he would stink it up in crunch time on the professional level.

So basically you're looking to trade someone thats proven he can come through in the clutch, already compliments Yao and McGrady well, can slash in the paint, can play pseudo PG albeit horribly, and sadly is more athletic than Redick. Oh and Luther Head is improving his game. He's slashed in for lay ups more this year than in years past, and again he's nailing his mid range jumpers unlike last year as well. And he's actually a better defender than Redick, plus his one deficiency on offense, being ball distribution can be maintained through conservative play which isn't much to ask. Head is improving, and actually plays for a Western Conference playoff bound team, whereas Redick is getting scrub time in an inferior Eastern Conference.

 

Agreed. The thrust of the argument is not that he has the ability to be a starter at SG in the NBA for any team. It is that he can make a better contribution in the ROCKETS offensive system than our CURRENT backup SG, namely Luther Head. His strengths match what we're looking for in a backup SG, and his weaknesses are no more glaring that those of the person we have currently filling the role.

Spin it any way you want, our biggest three rotation needs are starting PG, backup SG, and backup C in that order. Starting PG's are sorta hard to come by, but some options exist for backup SG's. Redick is only the name being bandied about by most national syndicates, which is why DD brought it up in the first place. There's no Duke bias here, although I do sense an anti-Duke bias from its detractors.

 

No kidding..I was impressed. Lets enter him in the NBA dunk contest at the All Star Game. The boy got Hops! Lets bench Landry

 

I don't know if he is bursting at the seams,but he isn't bursting at the seems.

 

....................Laughable


How many of you cats claiming you know J.J. can't ball were the same cats that gave the Rox a D or F in the Draft Grade thread back in June?????

Hehehehe

Saying J.J. has never shown he can play NBA calibur basketball and giving that as a reason not to trade Luther Head for him would be the same thing as saying a couple months ago (which a lot of you did) that Carl Landry hasn't proven that he can play NBA calibur basketball, therefore we should trade him for Tony Battie. Or better yet, like saying Randy Foye hasn't proven he can play in the NBA, therefore you wouldn't trade Antoine Wright for him. Come on now, quit being stupid.

We're all giving opinions on J.J. We can prove nothing either way because trades are about foresight, not hindsight. With a young player that hasn't played minutes, the truth is, he is unproven, he could be a bust or he could be a lot better, or he could just turn into another mediocre player............like Luther Head is.

The thing with Luther are his limitations. He's got a poor handle and he's a poor defender. The only skill that he has that brings value is his ability to shoot the basketball. Luther cannot defend anybody. He cannot stay with points and he gets taken advantage of because of his lack of size against shooting guards. That is proven. It's not going to change. His handle is proven also. He hasn't improved it since he's been in the league and he has played major minutes. His decision making with the ball on the move is also very baaaaaaaad. He's proven that over and over and over and turnover and turnover and turnover and turnover again! The only thing he can do well is catch and shoot the long ball WHEN HE IS OPEN. Remember, he really can't create his own shot either. It is in the opponents favor to close him out and make him put the ball on the floor where he is prone to making a bad pass or getting it stolen. Luther cannot create for himself. His shots and points all come within the flow of the offense, playing off the double teams on Yao and McGrady or cutting hard off a pick for the drop off pass and layup. THAT'S IT! That is what Luther is proven he is. HE IS WHAT HE IS!

J.J., on the other hand, could be something or he could be what he is now.................which is to say, we know he is a better shooter than Luther, he proved it in college. J.J. is one of the best shooters to come into the NBA in the last 10 years. And if he never becomes nothing else.........that is better than Luther............because Luther does NOTHING ELSE!

J.J. can't get his own shot???? Mmmmmm. Maybe not. You can't prove that. But let's say he can't just for the sake of argument. CAN LUTHER GET HIS OWN SHOT?!?!?!?!? Get real. I'll take a chance with J.J. getting his own shot, putting the ball on the floor with a couple dribbles and trying the pull up or the pass over Luther putting the ball on the floor and throwing the ball to the Red Rowdies or dribbling it off his foot anyday. Once again, we know what Luther is gonna do. He's only profitable to the Rox when he is nailing open shots. He does nothing else. Would you really be stupid enough to believe that J.J. Redick could not hit wide open shots off the kickouts from McGrady and Yao??????

Wanna compare stats? Go look up and compare their shooting percentages, 3 point percentages, and FT percentages. What about Points Per Shot??? And this is with Luther in his 3rd year and J.J. in his second year, not getting minutes. DO YOU REALLY THINK IF J.J. WAS ON THIS TEAM INSTEAD OF LUTHER THAT HE WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN MINUTES? Do you really think if J.J. would have been here Luther's rookie season instead of Luther and Wesley, Rafer, Sura.......all of them went down with injuries causing Van Gundy to have to play Luther, do you really think J.J. would not have done anything with those minutes or would somehow have performed so much poorer compared to Luther??? All I can say is, if you think that would have been the case then you don't know much about basketball.

By the way, do any of you Redick haters know anything about Adelman's offense and understand Adelman's offense is about moving without the ball, setting screens, coming off screens, cutting to the basket, and getting open looks??? Do any of you remember how ATHLETIC those Kings teams were with Vlade, Bibby, and P.J. running around hitting J's and passing the rock??? Come on now.

There's a reason why Otis Smith hasn't folded and traded the kid. Otis said it. He knows Redick has value because he can shoot. That's an NBA general manager saying that.

The odds are very good based on his astounding shooting numbers in college, going to a major university, and playing on a team where he was the defensive target every night, all 5 defenders trying to stop him while he put 26 per game and shot the dimples off the ball from long range, the odds are very good that J.J. is going to break out someday, not too far away, and then some of the same guys that wrote off the Rockets draft this year, will be revisiting this thread wondering why you wrote him off too.

ORLANDO WILL NOT TRADE J.J. TO US FOR HEAD AND MATCHING SALARY BECAUSE THEY KNOW HOW GOOD J.J. CAN BE AND HOW GOOD LUTHER IS.

That oughta tell you something.

 

Wow..I'm just speechless. Do you realize that everything you said about JJ can be said about Novak too? I just happen to think that Novak can get the job done better than JJ and he's taller.

 

You might wanna forget about JJ Redick. Brad Newley is tearing it up overseas.

 

................and look what Novak is starting to do.

Adelman is an offensive coach. He knows how to take guys with offensive skillsets and put them in positions to SCORE THE BALL.............like mad. Novak and J.J. play different positions. J.J. is a shooting guard, Novak is a tall, skinny, slow-footed 3 man. It's not a matter of if he is better than novak. It's a matter of if he could be better than Head.

 

I'd love to have Redick on board, just so I can hear lines like:"Re~dick penetrates and scores. wow!"

He's a pure shooter spot up and in motion. He can help us.

 

The problem is your cherry-picking your analogies. There are plenty of examples like you describe. Heck, that's why the Most Improved Player award even exists.

Unfortunately, there is no such thing as a Most Dissapointing Player Award, or 1st, 2nd, 3rd team never lived up to their potential.

quite true...i just get the feeling for some reason the pro-JJ group in this thread is somehow focusing on the "he could be great" or "he could be mediocre like Luther Head" side of that argument. I mean, I know you typed it, but fact of the matter is, he is MOST LIKELY to still be a bust.

Given our situation with Tracy, where when he is out we are forced to start Luther, who in those times actually plays quite well, for a NBA starting SG...and you want to trade that for JJ, who is MOST LIKELY to be a bust.

Chuck Hayes is also full of deficiencies. Should we trade him for Patrick O'Bryant?

I'll be the first to admit he isn't a PG. He shouldn't be played as one. But let's not ignore the stats, either.

Players who get comparable or more minutes on the team than Luther, and have a higher per 48 minute turnover rate (in order from highest down to Luther):

Yao, Aaron Brooks, T-Mac, Bonzi, Rafer, Scola

Again, Luther isn't perfect. I agree. But facts ARE facts, right? It's proven, right?

This is factually incorrect. Luther can and does drop guarded 3 point shots, more than just occasionally. I can remember one from the very last game we played, against GS. Of course, the GS game is probably a bad example to use, because Luther was consistently creating his own shot. But it's not just GS. Over the last month, more often than not, he's scored at least one layup by creating for himself on the drive. He's improved his mid-range game by faking the three and driving in just a bit. Etc.

All of this ignores the fact that JJ has never shown he can do any of this, much less he even has the potential to do it. It's not like JJ was a multi-dimensional player even in college, where his lack of athleticism wasn't as exposed. Even at Duke, all he did was hit 3's.

seriously, which teams games are you watching?

Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3Zrlyd3Rz4

It's a highlight reel. I understand how those work. But it will prove that the above statement is idiotic.

Again, the onus is on YOU to prove why JJ would be able to do something. Again, see the vid above regarding Luther. This hatred is stupid.

I'd trade Luther any day of the week and twice on Sundays for an UPGRADE.

Ok. Luther has a barely lower career FG%, but a higher career 3 pt%. He is lower FT% shooter. He has a higher rebound, assist, steal, blocks, turnover and scoring average. He also has a higher minutes average. Besides the fact that there is likely a reason for that, he is still, on a per minute basis, a better rebounder and passer with more steals. On a per minute basis he is worse on turnovers and slightly lower on points per minute.

But he is still a better career 3 point shooter, and that's what you want, right?

Yes, we're the ones who know nothing about basketball. Us and Brian Hill and Stan Van Gundy.

He hasn't played. There's got to be a reason for that. In 1.5 seasons he's played in only 62 games, with barely any overall PT in those games. He's only played in less than half of his teams games this year.

And his PT is getting worse. He only played in 5 games in January, and in those games, never more than 9 minutes and only 28 minutes in total. A full 15 minutes less than Luther got as a starter in the last game where he went 7-16, scored 20 points, dished out 6 assists with 2 rebounds, 1 steal and only 1 turnover (again, I get it, he is one-dimensional ; wait, that's only one game against a porous defense...whatever, just call me a basketball idiot).

Heck, in JJ's last two game appearance, in which he got a whooping 3 minutes in both games, they were both greater than 14 point wins. The last one, against the Grizz, the Magic were leading by 14 after the third and outscored the Grizz 26-13 in the fourth quarter, yet somehow JJ still only got 3 minutes of that "garbage time".

what does this have to do with JJ Redick?

I'd be very happy for JJ if this happens. I hope it does.

You must live in some fantasy world where when you write things in capital letters they must be true. Where potential, on a 4 year college player, on his second NBA coach, getting fewer and fewer minutes is better than a proven something (even if that something comes with flaws) just because you say so.

Where apparently the Rockets offered Luther for JJ and got turned down and Morey was looked at as the laughing stock of the league. Please, stop making things up.

Again, I recognize Luther has flaws. I agree, our needs are PG, backup SG, backup C in that order.

If you just think JJ is a better player than Luther...ok. Just don't try and rationalize it. It'll only make you look stupid.

Luther is an average NBA player. He is too short for his position, but a solid 3 point shooter, who CAN do other things offensively, grab a few boards, make a few good passes and solid cuts. He isn't a PG and tends to be turnover prone when forced into that role, but otherwise isn't abnormally turnover prone or super safe with the ball. He is a very cheap player.

JJ is a potentially great shooting player. He lacks athleticism and isn't very oversized for his position. Defensively, as with Luther, you'd be concerned about his ability to guard the post up and even moreso about his lateral speed. He has yet to prove he deserves significant minutes. He's on his second NBA coach and still can't crack the rotation. He is cheap, but more expensive than Luther.

The end.

 

Or at the very best...he's already a worse career 3 point shooter than Luther. He has yet to prove he can get his shot off quick enough, even when semi-open, in the NBA. He was great in college, where the talent was considerably worse.

Head played some point because he was forced to. the team was so bad at PG, the only option was Head, who isn't a PG. JJ won't see any time at point, because even if we were out of other options, he is incapable of even spot-filling the position.

Besides which, according to http://www.82games.com/0708/07HOU4C.HTM Luther has barely played any point this season.

Really. He did that in college. Awesome! What, he hasn't proven he can do that in the pros, yet, much less get on the court? Aw...forget that. Sign me up anyway!

Please don't let the facts get in the way. Brooks is considerably more turnover prone than Luther...as in 70% higher on a per 48 minute basis...in fewer minutes.

 

Is he really? Forgot all about the guy. Also, what is the latest on Lior Eliyahu?

 

JayZ,

not worth a detailed response. We'll see down the road.

I will offer you these thoughts.

JJ was injured last year, he got behind.
He is on a top playoff team in the East this year, with a defensive minded coach, and a rotation that apparently is already working well for them. They have had no need or reason to play him. His opportunity simply has not come around yet.

To say that Luther gives us some good passes.......is a joke. I'm sick of him handling and throwing the ball at Yao's toes. For every "good" pass he makes, which is actually an average pass to a wide open target disguised as a good pass because most of his passes are so bad, he makes at least 10 bad ones.

You've seen the highlights of JJ, haven't you? Shot after shot of him firing from the parking lot with 2 defenders out on him? Oh, that doesn't count, it wasn't in the NBA. So, therefore he is probably going to be a bust becasue he was injured his first year and his team is a playoff team with an established rotation and no significant injury or trade has happened to open up a spot for him????

Here's the question:

Do you think Otis Smith is lying when he said there has been a lot of interest from other teams wanting to trade for Redick because he is a skilled shooter and he is not trading him because he knows he has value?

My answer: I don't think so. I think they are gonna replace Bogans with him if they cannot re-sign Bogans on the cheap next year. That team is built for spot up shooters. Otis Smith knows it. He won't let him go but for a steep price because he wants guys like J.J., Hedo, and Rashad on the perimeter busting it and creating space for Big Dog Dwight.

And I do believe he is more likely to be a success than a bust. I think he will be this generation's Jeff Hornacek.

Like I say, we can revisit the thread in a year or two. I've been consistent since J.J. was drafted that he was going to make a spot for himself in the league as one of the league's recognized top shooters. I still stick by that. I think he'll win the 3 point shooting contest within the next two years and will supplant Kapono.

 

Dada,

You are weakening your stance. You used to be willing to give up Luther for him in an instant.

I'd give up Luther and our first round pick for him. That's how strongly I feel he would do well under Adelman.

 

Wow you are crazy. 1st round pick? Even after seeing what Morey has done with our late picks? Thats just ridiculous. Luther for Redick straight up maybe, but throwing in a 1st rounder is turning it into a crack deal. This is a guy that can't get playing time over Keith Bogans and Kenyon Dooling. SVG says he needs defense and rebounding from that position and JJ brings neither. I'm positive that whoever we pick next year with our draft pick, will be better than JJ. The last thing we need is another undersized 2-Guard.