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How about Cat for James/Wells

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Desert Scar, Dec 15, 2007.

  1. hooroo

    hooroo Member

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    Kurt Thomas makes around the same as Cat but has an expiring contract. Between Hayes and Scola PF has been inconsistent maybe the weakest spot on the Rockets.

    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/basketball/343544_sonx14.html
     
  2. Grandpappy

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    There's something vaguely erotic about that statement. But you're right, I would rather have Luther at this point.
     
  3. baller4life315

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    Cat has regressed each of the past three seasons. You know the rule they always say for SG's once they hit age 32. If he continues this trend paying him $9-10 million for two more seasons after this one will become quite troublesome.

    In theory I like the idea though. He's a good enough to defender and shooter to play heavy minutes on this team. I just think that at this point his contract is too hard to swallow.
     
  4. drich

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    don't know if you have bad credit or anything but I will gladly co-sign to this trade
     
  5. Carl Herrera

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    I think Thomas would be an excellent idea. Scola is not reliable yet. KT is a perfect guy as a 1 year rental. Smart, physical, knows how Van Gundy wants to play defense.

    The key is not to overpay for a 1 year rental.
     
  6. hooroo

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    Defense was what Adelman pointed out as to why Hayes and Scola were playing the minutes they have been. I think he said something like Scola only had to breath and he'd commit a foul or something along those lines.
     
  7. Carl Herrera

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    The fouls are being a rookie. The same thing happened to Landry, even though he was a 4-year college player. A guy like KT knows how to avoid silly fouls and that's more important than some might think.

    Another aspect about rookie mistakes is defensive rotations. Adelman, I think, talked about that as well. Chuck doesn't generally miss his assignments on defensive rotations while Scola still gets confused too often. KT, I suspect, would know defensive rotations like the back of his hand.

    Additional good thing about Thomas: He plays decent offensively. Has a jumper, some moves, knows how to play off the main guys. Used to be NCAA scoring champ, too, I think.
     
  8. BrooksBall

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    Get real!

    Mobley is washed up. He has more tape and bandages holding his body together than a guy who just survived a grenade blast.

    Forget about this idea.
     
  9. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Cat for Fancy and James. Bring Brooks back from the DL to back up Rafer.
     
  10. Dei

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    **** no. What you smoking?
     
  11. Kwame

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    I've already made my case for Maggette in the Trade Shane Battier? thread.

    Maggette for Battier straight up (salaries work)...that is if you want the Rockets to be successful.
     
  12. Desert Scar

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    Some of you guys need to use your brains before posting.

    Here are some relevant FACTS:

    1) It isn't like I proposed using a TE or signing Mobes for 8 mil a year outright.

    2) The difference between Mobes and James (the meat of the trade) is only about 2 mil per year--that is the financial context. Add another player (Snyder, Wells, Head--the last I would ONLY include if we got a pick), even less financial difference.

    3) James is actually older than Mobes.

    Here are my opinions.

    1) Read the above FACTS and stop the dumbass we don't want to get older, don't want to spend megabucks, are you on crack, type arguments.

    2) IMO Mobley is a better fit than James--this is the crux. We could use an extra true SG who can shoot more than another PG who plays a lot of undersized SG.

    3) Now also in my opinion I think James is on a more rapid decline because I think Mobley has a notch better natural shooting/scoring talent--totally my opinions.

    4) Chemistry can almost only go up from where it is at. Doubtfull a James-Mobley swap makes things worse.

    Now if you have reasons to keep James or see another more interesting deal, fine, argue that. BTW yes Kurt Thomas is only one of the other more interesting realistic trade targets I can think of. The problem with trading for him is I can't see a combination of salaries/assets Seattle would want. Our better bet with him would be trying to sign him after the season as a FA--but then you are signing a 35 year old. Pietrus and Barnes are a couple of others minor trade targets IMO as well.
     
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  13. MexiMan1390

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    didn't cat play for RA in sac for like half a season 2 years ago
     
  14. RocketsAddict

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    Get it done Morey.
     
  15. blastaway

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    Leave Cat in the liter box.

    Any hope for trying to still create a trade to get Artest?

    How about the whole team except Yao and Tmac for Jermaine Oneal? :D After that, we could use the D-league to fill out the rest of the roster. :cool:
     
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    Congratulations on a successful trade.

    Due to Houston and L.A. Clippers being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Houston and L.A. Clippers had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
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    Houston Trade Breakdown
    Change in Team Outlook: +3.1 ppg, -1.7 rpg, and -0.7 apg.
    Incoming Players
    Sam Cassell
    6-3 PG from Florida State
    13.1 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 4.2 apg in 24.1 minutes
    Cuttino Mobley
    6-4 SG from Rhode Island
    12.2 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 3.1 apg in 32.8 minutes
    Outgoing Players
    Kirk Snyder
    6-6 SG from Nevada-Reno
    5.2 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 1.2 apg in 11.3 minutes
    Rafer Alston
    6-2 PG from Frenso State
    8.6 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 4.9 apg in 30.2 minutes
    Mike James
    6-2 PG from Duquesne
    8.4 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 1.9 apg in 19.6 minutes

    L.A. Clippers Trade Breakdown
    Change in Team Outlook: -3.1 ppg, +1.7 rpg, and +0.7 apg.
    Incoming Players
    Kirk Snyder
    6-6 SG from Nevada-Reno
    5.2 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 1.2 apg in 11.3 minutes
    Rafer Alston
    6-2 PG from Frenso State
    8.6 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 4.9 apg in 30.2 minutes
    Mike James
    6-2 PG from Duquesne
    8.4 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 1.9 apg in 19.6 minutes
     
  17. mogrod

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    I don't understand. You ask for people's opinions on your idea and then call them brainless (amongst other names) once they give them to you.

    His age and contract would be valid concerns.

    1) No matter what, he would be almost $8.5 mill on the books this season.

    2) I'm not sure what numbers you're looking at, but (per HoopsHype) his and James' salaries are almost $3 apart and Cat would be making OVER $3 more than James in their last year of their contracts (which end the same time).

    3) Um, you're only talking about a difference of 3 months.

    So, whether you think it is brainless or not, I don't think paying a guy $9+ mil. a year in his mid 30's is very efficient. You're arguments are short-sighted in my opinion (not that it is a bad thing) and I don't think the Rockets are in any position to throw everything into just this year to only deal with the consequences later. Not to mention, while he still has played in a significant amount of games the last few season, he seems to be getting more and more nagging injuries.

    All that being said, he would be a great guy off the bench for the Rockets. Always a consistant shooter, he does have the ability to create his own shot as well as get to the basket and get out on the break. He also is not a liability on defense as well. I love the idea and he certainly would make the Rockets an improved team, but the ramifications of the move would end up hurting the Rockets more in the long run than what they would gain short term IMO.

    I do agree though, they DESPERATELY NEED another all-around scorer.
     
  18. Deckard

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    I'd much prefer picking up Barnes, who wouldn't be a minor addition, in my opinion, but have no idea why GS would move him. He's averaged 15.5 points, 10.0 rebounds and 3.0 steals in 35.5 minutes over his last two games, starting, with a broken finger in his shooting hand and a sprained finger in his other hand. http://www.nba.com/fantasy/fantasy_playernews.jsp?date=12/13/07&type=news#matt_barnes

    That's the kind of toughness we need and he's as athletic as hell. I wanted him during the off-season. But why on earth does GS move him?
     
  19. hooroo

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    His mother passed away recently and they've all rallied around him. Barnes will not be moved.
     
  20. Deckard

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    I don't think he'll be moved. That was my point. I wish we could get him. Cat would be a nice addition (would much rather get Barnes, but it ain't happening), but we really need a point guard. Sam is very long in the tooth and getting as fragile as my Mom's china. I think the other deal with Sam involved would be a mistake. We'd be left with Francis and Sam, and that's it.
     

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