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How abot trading Brooks to keep Lowry?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by dakeem1, Jul 14, 2010.

  1. Angkor Wat

    Angkor Wat Member

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    I think Kyle is a very capable starter. He can run the offense, play hard on defense and is always looking to attack the rim.
     
  2. Landry92

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    Ya .. Take 3 steps back to move one forward ..
     
  3. rhino17

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    Luther Head doesn't play PG because he cannot dribble. Maybe use a more logical comparison next time.
    SHooting is more valuable than drawing fouls. You are not gonna get fouls called on you every night. You can hit open jumpers every night. Can you imagine having a center like Yao kick the ball out and only having Martin on the perimeter to hit shots? Lowry relies on the refs for his offense which can only take you so far. Brooks is by far the superior offensive player. They need a guy that can get points, Lowry is not that guy. Brooks has also improved defensively, he is not as bad as some of you make him out to be.
     
  4. danoman

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    i wouldnt mind bringing llul this upcoming season he is the heart and soul of real madrid in my opinion, I think LLul might end up being our starting point guard if he adapts well to the nba, assuming Ab gets traded for something very good in return.
     
  5. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    you mean NEXT upcoming season. He's signed until then and I think they are already working on extending him.
     
  6. rhino17

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    I like Lull a lot and think he will definitely contribute at the NBA level soon, but I think he recently signed a new contract with Real Madrid, so it might be a while longer till he comes over.
     
  7. danoman

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    yeah thats what i tought i think he has one more year on his contract, but is there a way to buy him out?
     
  8. CDrex

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    Look, I'm a HUGE Lowry fan and wouldn't hate him starting, but Brooks has come into his own as an excellent starting point guard in this league, and trading him for bench depth would be freaking silly when we already have good depth and can easily add Miller as that backup center whenever we want.
     
  9. SamFisher

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    Luther head's inability to dribble didn't stop him from shooting spot-up shots? You're telling me that that's what's important and renders Brooks into an all world player and Lowry into an afterthought.

    Why is that? Let's say a guy can hit free throws at an 80% clip, shoots a blazing 40% from range, and 55% from inside the arc.

    That means on the average 2-shot foul, he's going to net you 1.6 points. On the average 3-pt FGA, you get 1.2 points, on the average 2 pointer, you get 1.1 points. The two-shot foul is far and awy the one you want him taking most if you can get it. (and that doesn't even count the ancillary benefits in getting the other team in the Penalty and getting their players in foul trouble).

    The stuff about "not going to get the calls" sort of cancels itself out. I mean you're going to have off-nights from range too - the metric I'm using is FTA/FGA which is actually the ratio of fouls drawn per shot attempt which filters most of that out.

    So, as stated previously, Lowry excels in this area, with a ratio around .4 or .5, whereas Brooks is pretty mediocre, with a ratio around .22.

    This actually shows in their larger stats. On paper, if you look at the raw numbers, Brooks seems like far better player in shooting percentage. But if you look at their true shooting percentage, which incorporates foul-drawing ability, the gap narrows very quickly.

    And I haven't yet brought up the team stats - which show that the Rockets get better on offense AND defense with Lowry in the game, and worse when he exits, which is something you can't say for Brooks.

    And by the way, interesting you bring up Martin who excels at drawing fouls, just like Lowry.
     
  10. eric.81

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    Enough with the Luther Head talk. It's been over 2 years since he was a Rocket and he signed with the Hornets last weekend anyway.
     
  11. raj87

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    Please be more specific, and at least name a player to exchange from the Hornets' Roster. Possibly Darren Collinson or Chris Paul?
     
  12. rhino17

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    You act like the only think AB can do is shoot. AB is not Luther Head, a guy that was simply a shooter. Being able to draw fouls doesn't make you a starting NBA PG. If you were right, Adelman would be starting Lowry and Morey would trade AB. Problem is, you are wrong. AB is the superior player, that isn;t debatable.
     
  13. Sooner423

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    Brooks and expirings for Granger?
     
  14. Pizza_Da_Hut

    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

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    That's like cutting the face off to save the nose. No, that doesn't even come close to making sense.
     
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    How 'bout no, Scott.
     
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    Thank you


    And to the thread starter leave the drugs alone.
     
  17. jopatmc

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    No. Save the expirings for New Orleans. Or incorporate a larger trade involving Brooks, Ariza, Jeffries, and a future pick for Granger and Foster or Murphy.

    Any trade we make with expirings has to net us more expiring contracts to throw at New Orleans at the trade deadline. If we trade for a player like Granger or Iggy and we throw away expirings and draft picks, then we are basically locked out of the Chris Paul chase. But, if we maximize our expirings, and keep as much of our young talent and draft picks as possible, then we have the best chance of pulling Paul out of New Orleans, because we can offer them the most salary savings, and the best collection of young talent and future picks.


    Brooks and Ariza or Lowry and Ariza is the bait we are using to acquire a possible sub-super star of the ilk of Granger, Iggy, Gerald Wallace, and still leave us in a position to chase Paul.

    That is why I only see a trade for Granger or Iggy or possibly someone like Gerald Wallace going down if they are willing to take Ariza and Brooks back. Or in Philly's case, since we are going to match Lowry, the logical trade for Iggy would be Lowry and Ariza and another expiring with us taking back one of their expirings with our $3 million trade exception. Morey is not going to jeopardize a Paul deal before the deadline. If Morey does, move a number of our expirings in another trade and adds long term salary, you can mark it down, he has ended the Chris Paul chase.
     
  18. SamFisher

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    What are the other things he can do then beside score? Passing? he's pretty mediocre for a PG. He often gets into the paint hten panics, because he knows he can't finish and isn't a confident passer. Rebounding? Nope. Defense? Ahahahahaha.

    Basically you are simply declaring yourself right and won't even bother to look at any evidence to the contrary. But the evidence I see based on their on-court performance makes it look debatable with respect to the gap between the two players. Many on the BBS are content to point ot 19.9 ppg and call it a day. If it was all about PPG, Tony Campbell and J.R. Rider would be in the Hall of Fame right now.
     
  19. Sooner423

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    Granger may not be a superstar, but he's pretty damn close. He's a better player than Iggy by far. I'd like to get Chris Paul, but if Granger's available, you have to get him. A bird in the hand is better than two in the bush, right?
     
  20. spaceage808

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    some of you people are waaaay to harsh. you need to be able to think outside the box and consider all possibilities. If you can get a super star in return for AB and some expirings, then yes you sign lowry. 4/24 is fine for a starter. but im sure AB0 will command more than double that after next summer, and then u have to decide if he's worth it or not.
     

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