aaron brooks averaged 20 ppg 5 assists in 35 min kyle 9ppg 4.5 assists in 24 min kyle is good but not ready to take MIP job
I agree but Ariza wouldnt and he would become a cancer on the bench remember he was a starter on LA's first championship team and came here to shine how would he be cool with coming off the bench for a contender when he started for a champion?
Dumbest thread ever. And why would Indiana ever want to make a trade like that? They are not the Knicks.
Because they just drafted Paul George who is a small forward with a very similar style of play as Granger. If George ends up being good it is very unlikely that him and Granger would work well together.
You basically lost any credibility at "statistics are useless" - the Rockets have obviously decided to go in a different direction (as has reality). When Tony Parker was 26, as Brooks is now his resume was a lot more impressive. For the record, Lowry is only 24. He is not really a similar player - in fact, Tony Parker's offensive game resembles that of Kyle Lowry more than it does of Brooks. Uploaded with ImageShack.us So, his defense will get better by magic, and he'll get bigger and faster. At age 26. Because it naturally happened to all players. I'm not sure how to defeat this reasoning, but since Lowry is a couple of years younger, I shudder to think of his bionic growth capability. As for MIP - ask Mr. Barros, Darrell Armstrong, Scott Skiles, Ike Austin, Seikaly etc how that worked out for them. Yeah, I thought so. Trade Yao I'm fine with, but it destroys the "we need Brooks to surround Yao with Luther Hea- I mean - spot up shooters" argument. Yeah, that certainly came back to bite Philly when they opted not to get Barros back, right? Armstrong - etc, you know the drill. The MIP list is as miss as it is hit. There's a few certified badasses on there like Tracy McGrady but there's a lot of subprime CDO's too. This is worthy of its own thread, but he is not all-star caliber. You will find very few non-fan voted all stars with a less impressive season in the last few years. He posted a player efficiency rating of 16 last year. 15 is the league average. 20+ is all star level. You do the math.
Brooks is very efficient. At his age and quickness, he can get his own shot any anytime on the floor. Not to mention he can shoot with range. He's a poormans Allen Iverson who ACTUALLY has a reliable jumper but less razzle dazzle
seriously....why trade brooks for anything RESEMBLING TJ Ford?!? brooks is a rising star in this league. even if his peak was last year, he is still better than TJ. also, 1st round pick, battier, brooks, ariza.....are you serious? this thread is ridiculous
I hate to say it, but Brooks is nothing more than an asset to Morey just like every other player on this team. If you can move him and get a net positive return, which I think Granger/Ford would be, given our depth, then you do it. Lowery can start, is better defensively than Brooks and better at setting others up. We would not need him to score with Yao, Scola, Martin and Granger on the floor. Granger is a better all-around player than anyone we've got...Brooks is a potential all-star, Granger already is one. No brainer, you do this. The only place I'd disagree with you is giving up Battier and Ariza. Likely we'd keep Battier and give them a first rounder instead (Rockets 2012?).
y would u give up soo much to get granger... 40% of ur starting line up.. and two possible lottery picks???? really??? for granger???? I dont get this we played lowry alot so he must be a starter theory either .. people like jason terry and crawford are 6th men and make roughly 10 mil. a year .. ok lowry may not be as good as them but he is not 60% the players they are .. i could see us trading lowry for granger but not brooks
not to mention that salaries dont match up i dont think.. granger and ford make roughly 19 mill the guys we give up make 22 and thats not including the draft picks.. also premise for doing this is bc lowry makes 6 mil. ford makes 8.5 this year .. you really want someone making 8.5 on the bench?
what i really dont understand is why do a lot of people on this board want to trade away someone who has constantly been improving. is all-star caliber for.. someone just like that? do u not have any faith? imagine if the celtics just traded away rondo when he started getting better. or even when kobe got in the league and started getting better "hey lets trade him for someone else" brooks isnt the ideal point guard but it works with martin in the backcourt who is also not a pure 2 guard. having two combo guards running the backcourt is a damn good plan. with the resigning of scola, signing of a back up center (miller) we will prolly not be a championship caliber team at THIS time but most of our bench is getting better as the games go on. chase.hill.lowry and then u have brooks thats been developing off the charts. if our secondary unit develops to be as powerful as our first unit we will be championship caliber. we just need to STOP doing a billion trades and let the damn players play.
Pick and rolls are simply not his game, and although his range does extend past the free throw line, he does not shoot these at a high percentage. He's by far more effective in the post, and it makes no sense to use him elsewhere. If he's playing limited minutes, you need to make sure you make the most of those minutes.
While I agree Yao's dominance starts and stops with his low post play, because of the double and triple teams, and the fronting defense, Yao has to continue to develop his midrange 15-17 foot game. He has great form. He can nail them. He's just got to get used to taking that shot when the fronting comes. And the team has to get used to understanding what the defense is doing to Yao and then taking advantage of Yao coming out high for the 15 footer or the drop down assist to the cutter. We are going to see a major improvement in this play this season, if Yao is healthy and sees significant time on the floor. Adelman is going to continue to coach Yao out high to spread out the defense when the defense starts to pack it in. It is a work in progress. When Yao is fronted in the paint, there has to be immediate recognition of what the defense is doing and the response to it is automatic. Yao drags the defenders out high, Brooks/Lowry/Martin get him the ball and then the 3 or 4 guys on the perimeter work together to determine who is in the most advantageous position to cut. Yao either gets the 15 footer, or the open pass to a 3 point shooter whose defender is sagging off, or he finds a cutter. If you don't think Yao is going to be a 50% or better shooter on that 15 footer, just look at his free throws. It's a matter of game repetition and Yao getting comfortable with the scheme and the guards getting the ball to him out high when he pops to the top. In my opinion, Adelman should push Yao out even further to the 17 foot area at the top of the key or the side of the top of the key, to create even more space on that pass and go. And that is also why the Rockets are so keen on getting Brad Miller in here. He provides the best contrast to Yao in the post with his high post game. They want Miller to come in after the defense starts sagging. And they want Brad helping Yao with the nuances of stepping outside, catching, and shooting, although Yao isn't really going to need help with the catching and shooting bit. Yao and the perimeter guys just need help with the timing of the whole thing. I do not believe Adelman is going to make Yao a high post center. I believe Adelman is going to add high post play to Yao's game and then teach the team what the high percentage play is according to how the defense is playing.
You're kidding right?? NOBODY in their right mind trades away 3 rotation guys, and high future 1st round picks for a guy who's not even a top 15 player in this league! TJ Ford is ANOTHER KYLE LOWRY...he's got NO jumpshot! And trading AB for TJ FORD?? That's like trading Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown (i am NOT exaggerating) You also forget... Danny Granger led his team to a 32-50 record last year.. IN THE EAST! Danny Granger WOULD make this team better, BUT, if you have to trade away 42% of your offense, PLUS Future 1st round picks for Granger and Ford...you're not getting any better. The only way you trade away Brooks and future picks is for a top 10 player...which Granger, IMO, is not.
I thought the Rockets were right to match because of all the things that Lowry brings that don't show up in the box score. It got me to thinking about Brooks and the salary he will command (I assume around $9M) and wondered if he might actually be the more replaceable player. Most of what he brings does show up in the box score. One name popped out that I decided to look at and was amazed at the similarities per 36 minutes last year. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brookaa01.html http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lawac01.html Granted, Brooks played in all 82 games for over 35 minutes per, so his is less of a projection and really just his actual stats. But for 36 minutes, they appear very similar. And there are likely others out there that can bring similar production. While I like Brooks and what he brings to the team, I think he is one of the more replaceable pieces, especially as his price goes up.
