Didnt Jason Williams run the point for Adelman back in the C Web days? I dont think that there is a huge difference in the style of play betw JW and CP....not to mention, Adelman is a good enuf coach that he could make it work regardless....but I think he would fit fine and add some much needed defense yes, i know, wishful thinking......but i do happen to think he would fit
Once again, you are arguing two separate points. 1. He doesn't want to come here. 2. He doesn't fit our system. The validity of 1. can be debated. And if proven true, how to handle that is also up for discussion. As for 2., **** our system. This is CP3 we're talking about.
Chris Paul is a legit superstar and if we get the chance to add him, you do it. Chris Paul is a player you build a team around. He's also not a flaky superstar like T-Mac, with elite talent but no leadership skills. He is a hypercompetitive winner that is well respected by other superstars. In other words, he's a leader on the court. Championships are won by players that can take over playoff games and lead their teams with competitive spirit and effort. Chris Paul took a much lesser team to the Western Conference Finals already. These players are extremely rare. See Kobe Bryant, Dwayne Wade, LeBron James...
Its not about him being an upgrade as a player or "wanting to play off the ball", its about "does he perform the role of the PG in Adelman's system better than AB " and what does it cost to obtain? Our system and players are based around dominant big, no one ball handler, ball movement, etc. The answer is yes, he is a slight upgrade to what we do with our PG position, even though he is a much better overall player than AB. However, he costs alot to upgrade. Fully utilizing Paul's talents as a player drastically reduces how effective everyone else is, as they were all brought in as pieces to the Yao centric system. He wouldnt be the final piece, he would be the first piece to an entirely new system. If you were to bring in Paul, you would need to design the entire system around him and his skills, which seems unreasonable due to his insistance on winning now and playing with another superstar. With only a two year guaranteed window this seems like a risky and frankly dumb idea. The only way I would see this trade worthwhile is if it only costs you salary relief, ie expirings (Jeffries/Battier/Andersen/filler) and maybe Brooks for Paul/Okafor. Otherwise I dont see it making the team closer to a title contender.
u make some good points but as far as our offense being centered around a dominant big, we have no guarantee that Yao will be as big of a part of our offense as he was....hopefully he is i agree that we should no way trade for this guy unless he is locked up for the next 4 or 5 yrs....and if we can accomplish that, then great...bc the one factor that he does bring that u cant measure in stats or ability to fit is that other good players love playing with him and we would increase our chances of landing those types of guys
Agree with most of your post, but I would also be willing to throw in draft picks, since we are so stacked already. Also, if I had a choice, I would rather trade Ariza and keep (and extend at a lower price, even though that is probably unrealistic) Battier. You know what just strikes me...this is the first time in a long time that I can think of that we are actually speculating out of a position of strength, not of desperation. We really do not have a weak position on the floor, unlike the "Mo Taylor starts at PF" and "Moochie plays a lot of minutes at PG" days. Back then, we were desperate to upgrade. Nowadays, it is about going from good to outstanding at the various positions.
@NJ I think you would be better off overpaying for not as good "dominant big" (Kaman, M.Gasol, B.Lopez, etc) which the whole system is designed around rather than a really really good PG which doesnt fit our system. @SJC Heck, thats fine with me. Battier is just a better player and better contract than Ariza, so I think they would prefer him. I am not too attached to the picks since I am an instant gratification type of guy, so if thats what it takes, I am all for it.
CX, See, I disagree, and let me explain why. If you are going to build around CP3, and that is a legitimate thing to do, he is THAT good, you need to style your players around him. So, if you only have him for 2 years, and we have built up a team of players that fit the system we currently run, then getting CP3 is a complete and utter waste of time. Because we do not have the players around him that would fit his style, we have players that fit Adelman's style....so just as you are turning your roster over...AGAIN...CP3 leaves. Sorry, but I don't think that is in any way a smart way of building a franchise... To me, this is another case of people liking a player but not considering the overall ramifications of getting that player. So, if you go by this simple premise: Does getting CP3 get us closer to a championship or put us over the top in the time he is under contract or not? I say, decidedly not. DD
lol at people not wanting to acquire a premier player in this league, out of worry that he won't fit Adelman's "system" 1. Chances to get a player of this nature rarely comes around. 2. If you don't think Adelman can build a system maximizing the talents of the players on his team, I don't know how much Rocket's basketball you've been watching the last 3 years. This guy isn't a future HOF just because his core philosophy and system are great.
TO EVERYONE THAT SAYS CHRIS PAUL CAN'T FIT INTO ADELMAN'S OFFENSE: Byron Scott ran the Princeton offense when he was coaching Paul
Interesting. I think Brooks is a much better spot-up 3-point shooter, which is important when you have Yao down in the post. Paul is more selective with his 3-point attempts, and he'll take them more off the dribble when the defender gives him that shot.
Use Battier instead of Ariza and it works on the trade machine. Now if the trade were just for Paul i would be against it, but if it were for Paul and Okafor, now we're talking.
