Houstonians or transplanted Houstonians Only, Who is your favorite team?

Best I can tell, that's all some of you are capable of. At least we've made progress in that you're now taking ownership of your crap.

I still can't believe you posted someone's quote about being r****ded and then tried to back off the statement because you weren't the original author. That's just so incredibly weak man. Wow, there's nothing you can ever say that earns any respect back from me.

Say what you mean and mean what you say. Even if you're stupid, that's respectable. Period.

 

I missed it. Like three times. No excuse.

There wasn't one intentional insult in that post. Not one. As a matter of fact, I complimented one part, and agreed with you on several other points. Perhaps I'm not the only one who's reading what he wants and missing the other parts? I also asked you several questions, you did not answer them.

At least that makes one of us.

First of all, the quote was tongue-in-cheek, but it didn't bother me that you missed the intended sarcasm because I was genuinely rude the other times. But believe me, it doesn't hurt my feelings that a complete stranger has "no respect for" me based on one internet conversation. The feeling isn't mutual, by the way; I don't take Internet BBSs seriously enough to make grandiose statements like that.

 

Horse****.

 

I thought flinging that was "all some of us were capable of"? Surely you, then, have more to offer?

 

Dude, take it down a notch. Watching you be so combative in one of your first participatory threads has been really entertaining. It's an Internet BBS. Go outside and take a deep breath. You have unique views and should be proud of yourself in your perpetual differentiation from the rest of humanity.

 

I have lots more to offer, however none of it to you in this thread. Your purpose is clear and is no longer about discussing the topic in this discussion. You're can't even read simple words you are so biased. You don't claim your own statements. I won't address you anymore if it makes you feel better. If you'd like to continue posting in this thread, do so without speaking to me. I have explained my point of view to a more than acceptable level (for the unbiased in here at least). It's a shame you cannot understand what I've been saying in here, but suit yourself. You can't please all the people all the time, and these days, you can't even expect people to successfully read basic printed words (the first step of understanding).

You sir have been measured and found lacking. Say what you mean and mean what you say, just do it with someone else.

 

I'm not upset in the least bit. That's a simple exclamation of BS. It's clear what that guy was all about in here. While it may not have been clear what I was about, I'm pretty sure it is now. The fact it required pages of explanation speaks to the bias some people have as part of their character. In any event, no harm was meant and no one's upset. I'd like to return this thread to its original purpose now.

Thanks guys

 

I've claimed mine; you're the one not owning yours.

I don't feel bad at all, so it's neither here nor there.

Sorry; this is a public BBS. It has an ignore function you're welcome to use if you can't handle my postings.

I've asked you questions directly, three times, and each time you've ignored the question to pick on one statement. You've explained some of your position--and I've responded positively to much of that. But you've ignored that stuff, too. Then you accuse me of selective reading. That's just amazing.

I missed "imo". I owned it. But, do keep harping on it while ignoring all the questions I've asked you, and covertly questioning my intelligence. Because you "won't stoop to that level".

Another arrogant and condescending statement. I keep responding to you, and you keep lobbing this stuff out there. Congratulations.

I *do* "say what I mean". I also at times employ some good-natured ribbing, and some hyperbole, all in fun. And, again, I will address it at whomever. If you don't like it, use the ignore function of complain to the moderators.

 

Really, now? What is that? Come on, enlighten us.

Absolutely. That is the *only* plausible explanation, right? Not that the statements you made could have truly been offensive to some, no--that there is bias in my character.

Let's make the list again, shall we? If I don't see eye-to-eye with Republic:

• I'm not a true football fan
• I have a fairweather syndrome
• I have a victim mentality
• I am a bandwagonner. ("Period," iirc)
• I have a fairweather nature.
• I'm not as serious a sports fan as Republic.
• I am a "fan-when-I-feel-up-to-it".
• I need to expand my horizons beyond my city.
• I need a herd because I'm weak.

That's a lot of condescending statements, and quite a few of us took exception. But no, it wasn't a response to all these condescending statements. No: I have an agenda! And, I'm stupid! I "have been measured and found lacking", and my "mouth writes checks my ass can't cash." Oh, and of course the newest one: there is "bias in my character".

There is no other plausible explanation.

Hey Republic, if I'm not on your ignore list already, I'm going to pose this question to you a fourth (or fifth) time, and see if you ignore it yet again:

I really am asking you (again). You never explained this (or I missed it, being evidently as dumb as a bent hingepin).

 

Look what the hell you started!

 

For the sake of the decent people reading this thread, and the fact I did happen to miss the comment among the other inane babble coming from you, I'll explain my "fairweather" statement regarding Houston's fans.

Allow me to preface this explanation with the disclaimer I speak from my own personal experiences, observations, and environment. They may or may not be something you can understand, relate with, or even approve of. It makes no difference to me, nor should it you. In the particular regard of the fairweather statement, it's only an opinion. As such, it goes without saying that it may not be absolute truth across the board (no pun intended), but it is truth as it is a product of my experiences, observations, and environment.

That said, here's the deal. When the Oilers failed to win something significant, I saw many "Luv ya Blue" fans turn their backs to them. Rather than continuing support for a successful team (god sakes, at the time, we had EARL CAMPBELL), I saw MANY Oiler fans stop caring about them. I had friends who quit wearing the caps, shirts, whatever. I had friends stop going to games, etc. Looking at the "citywide" picture at the time through the lenses of my own group of "diehard Oiler fans" giving up on them, it just seemed to me that the city gave up on them as well. Fans started with the victim mentality, the woe is us crap, etc. Bud Adams became a trendy "evil and support for the team (for many reasons - legit and not) just evaporated. At least, in my perception and in my opinion.

I'm trying to keep this short, but going forward, Astro fans turned into the same thing. After a few key losses in some really big games, once again Houston fans had another reason to play the "victim". Similarly, people started turning on the Astros. There was some disappointment with the Rockets as well, but it was to a much lesser degree than the other teams, as it wasn't really "expected" that they would achieve what they did (81, 86). I didn't see the same abandonment with Rockets fans as I did with Oilers and Astros.

Look at the city now. Remember the Texans with David Carr? If you read the message boards (before he laced up his cleats), he was the 2nd coming, a football savior. What happened? I dont think I need to tell that story again. How about the Rockets with McGrady? When he came here, once again you would have thought everyone in the city was popping Viagra we were all so aroused. The Rockets have failed to win it all with him (so far anyway) and look at the message board trash about him. People are ready to run him out of town, ignoring the fact just a few short years ago, you would have thought it was MJ part deux.

In any event, there are MANY instances where I see people in this city turn their backs on teams, players, etc. that I just don't understand. I always like "my guys" and "my teams". Larry Bird is perhaps my favorite basketball player ever. I can't imagine there ever being a reason to turn my back on him simply because he didn't win a title every year, or make every shot, or whatever.

Once again, all I'm saying is that *I* have seen a LOT of fairweather syndrome in the city of Houston. I'm not saying it doesn't exist all over the place, I'm saying that *I* have seen it here. As this is a Houston board, I don't think it's logical to discuss the city of Los Angeles running two NFL franchises out of the city, etc. That's foolish.

These are only a handful of examples that *I* have seen. I could go on with many others, but you should have enough to understand my point that there's a lot of fairweather going on in this humid climate, I only wish it were ACTUAL fair weather and not our "mexican soap opera" fan following. Case in point - just follow the McGrady situation. It speaks tons about how "deep" our fans are committed to our heroes.

Anyway, this should be enough to understand my fairweather statement. If it's insulting, I can't help it. It's the only way I know of to describe what I was talking about.

I'd like to know where all the "Cubs fans" and "Braves fans" of the late 80's, early 90's went. How about all the "Bulls fans"? I think you get my point(s). Houston is not alone in fairweather fans, but on this Houston board, I was talking about THEM.

 

Cubs and Braves fans, along with Steelers fans, are the exception, not the rule. Houston is no more "fairweather" than most other towns, and athletes are *not* "heroes".

Thank you for finally explaining your statement and admitting that it might be offensive to some. That is *all* I was asking for. Too bad it took you this long.

 

For ***** sake man...SPORTS HEROES. The way I see it, statements like these are only offensive to the ones guilty. And I doubt very seriously this is all you were asking for or cared about. I missed it through all the insults and cowardly jabs. I damned sure wasn't avoiding explaining it or anything. I seriously doubt you would have shut up sooner had I posted sooner.

Someone flush this floater.

 

The problem with your fairweather statement is that you applied it to folks that you don't know Oposters in this thread) simply becuase they didn't follow the Oilers once they became the Titans.

I've followed the Houston teams all my life through thick and thin. My situation is the exact opposite of yours. The vast majority of folks I associate with have always supported the Houston teams (at least while the teams were in Houston), regardless of their records.

 

It was my opinion; sorry I didn't qualify it as such. Athletes are not "heroes", imo. Also, you mentioned devotion to atheletes. That's cool; some of us are more inclined to follow the city and its franchises. Different strokes.

So, you're *still* calling me and others who took exception fairweather? Nice. Thanks for clarifying.

You know what? I believe you. I missed the 'imo' earlier--as many times as you missed my question no less--and you said I couldn't read, you questioned my intelligence. Now you're guilty of the same thing, and you're making excuses. I could say the same thing to you--question your basic comprehension, etc. But I didn't. I just kept asking. And do admit to your own ever-growing list of insults if you're going keep crying about mine. I stopped a long time ago; you keep piling them on.

Well, I don't care what you believe, but I would have. You can find evidence in the fact that I pointed out points along the way with which I agreed with you. You never acknowledged those, however (then you accused me of selective reading).

Still not "stooping to that level", eh? That first post of mine, that evidently royally pissed you off, I *was* trying to be funny (again, I don't care if you believe that). I reread it last night for grins. I can see how it ticked you off. It was unnecessary and not funny. But it's all good; that and a comment about "prick Cowboy fans" has earned my status as:
* a floater that needs to be flushed
* someone with a bias in his character
* a fairweather fan with a fairweather nature
* not respectable
* incapable of offering anything beyond poo
* needing a label for someone I don't know yet
* a level beneath you
* a serious comprehension issue
* ignoring the truth in order to be a "tough guy"

It seems more than one of us has "waded through a lot of insults." But I finally got you to admit that your initial statement was offensive, and that's what I wanted to hear. Thank you for finally owning it, even though you backed right down and threw more insults your very next post.

 

It goes without saying that almost every printed word can potentially offend someone. If you consider this, and read opinion forums, it's something that just sort of goes with the territory. Is it really necessary to state something like this? My statements, along with yours, his, hers, that guy's, that guy's cousin and the rest of those people, can be potentially offensive.

I'm admitting nothing that wasn't already understood by the lot of us reading/participating in this thread. However, the distinction I make which I will NOT agree with you on is that my statement was designed to particularly offend any one person or group. You have not really accomplished anything here other than to prove you're all about your own agenda or at the very least, have very little common sense. I mean honestly, who the hell opens with a "sarcastic" tone calling a complete stranger r****ded? I don't know you, don't know your "style" of humor (if that's what you call it) and well, adults don't generally start out communication in this manner. That is, provided one believes your "intentions as you now claim them to be" (which I don't - the proof is all throughout this thread).

You appear to be a very PC kinda guy. Someone like me frankly doesn't get along with someone like you. I don't normally have to sugarcoat my words to people I hang with, communicate with, etc. I think we have a cultural difference of sorts. It's pretty much time for you to get out of my hind quarters and take a pill or something. You're going to get an ulcer hanging out in an opinion forum.

This is where we agree to disagree.

 

You are correct sir. I believe all these statements to be truth about you. Let's agree now to disagree on them. Our characters simply don't mix. Go pick on an easier target.

 

It's awfully easy to hide behind a keyboard and insult the character of someone you've never met. Kudos to you. And perhaps our characters indeed don't mix: one of us apologized. One of us owned his statements without having them thrown in his face half a dozen times. And, please free yourself from the delusion that you were some sort of "target". You made an outlandish, insulting statement, and I called you on it. It took you 7 pages to admit. Congratulations.

 

If describing your character is an insult, that isn't my problem. You didn't call me on anything. I already stated why I didn't explain it sooner. The power of denial is your survival tactic. I understand guys like you, I just don't relate to them well.

 

Keep it up, man. You're going to break a record for insulting someone you've never met.

Really? You mean like this:

I called your statement out over and over and over. You somehow missed each and every question.

That's pretty typical of hypocrisy.