I'm just not big on rb in the top 15. I still think the texans should focus on defense. If phillips is on the board, the texans should take him . I've heard people talk about he not a big hitter. To me, it doesn't matter because the guy can cover. Reed and Palomolo aren't big hitters. Those two are good tacklers and great cover guys. If they can't get a 2nd rd pick, again I'm looking db in the 3rd rd. I like Porter cb from Indiana or Terrel from usc. In the 4th, I like godfrey the cb/s from Iowa . He's big, fast corner that can play safety. I know people will not like the heavy draft in the defensive backfield, but I think getting those 2 safeties that can run and cover plus having 3 good corners allows ur defense to do a lot of other things. One thing to remember pressure leads to picks and coverage leads to sacks. They both work hand in hand.
Well since we're picking at 18, would you be okay with that. Phillips is my #1 reasonable choice in the 1st (not sure how reasonable he is though). But the Texans have a number of holes to fill and I wouldn't be too pleased if we picked up 3 DBs with our first 3 picks, especially if one of the RBs in fall into the 3rd (which should happen).
I agree with you gucci, and I think the draft is a crapshoot which is why it's important the scouts do their homework to make sure the team takes the best gamble. I also agree that the RB position is the one position where a player can make an impact the first year. I remember when everyone else passed up Eddie George and the Oilers were able to pick him up. I was ecstatic knowing that they finally got a good RB after the inconsitent gary brown and lorenzo white years. I know Kubiak is known to pick up rb in the later rounds and develop them but some of the RB picked up in the later rounds I thought would've been good on most teams anyways. I was high on Portis coming out of Miami during the 2002 draft and disappointed the Texans didn't take him with all picks they had. I think Kubiak/Sherman were given too much credit for finding these so called "gems".
re: Mel's projections I really hope that doesn't happen. All 3 potentially great Tackles taken before the Texans pick. A lock-down corner would be the way to go at that point, but I'd even trade the pick for a 2nd and 3rd if it went that way.
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don banks from SI has us picking leodis mckelvin from troy. who the heck is mckelvin? if we cant get a stud tackle, they should trade down.
From Lance Zierlein's blog on chron.com: * I loved watching Troy CB Leodis McKelvin. Scouts have told me he's the best CB in the draft and they compare him to Dunta Robinson and now I see why. He's a good tackler but he also has great hips and a great break on the ball. He is going to fly up the draft board, mark my words.
That draft value chart is pretty cool. It actually gives us fans a tangible number to put on draft picks, and allows us to be realistic in trades. As far as everyone saying we've invested too much in the D-Line now, and we have other needs to address....I understand what you are all saying, but hear me out. Coming off of last year, nobody really knew what to expect of Mario Williams. He had a mediocre year at best, he was injured, and he hadn't really established anything yet. Teams weren't giving him any kind of real respect in terms of game-planning, and a lot of the time, he was getting single-coverage matchups that worked heavily in his favor. Next year however, it's going to be the exact opposite. He's gonna be getting double-teamed right from the get-go, teams will be game-planning for him specifically, and he's going to really be expected to not only match what he did this year, but improve on it. It's really a make-or-break year for Mario in terms of how people are going to look at him for his career. Now, if we were to add another DE on the other side, that would take SO much pressure off Mario, and we would be built similar to the Giants (who are Super Bowl bound). They have 2 solid ends (Strahan and Yumeniora) and a decent DT (Tuck for them, Okoye for us). They have a good group of LBs, and a secondary that's suspect, but makes up for it with physical, hard-hitting. The only thing we're missing is that other DE, which I think Campbell would fit the bill perfectly. I wouldn't be upset if we picked up a Kenny Phillips, or a Mike Jenkins, but I would really love to see us get Calais Campbell, and see the reactions of Colts, Titans, and Jaguars fans who realize that they are gonna have to face this defense for the next decade.
Watching NFL Network's Senior Bowl practice recap and their analyst had Mckelvin as the #1 rated CB. Like Zierlein said, he is a great tackler that can change directions and break for the ball, the analyst did point out that while he gets his hands on a lot of balls, he rarely finishes the INT. yobod- You're right in that the Giants have a great DL and possibly building a DL like them would make us very good, but the Giants more recent success has also been because of improved play by Eli and the offense. The Texans franchise has been plagued by a bad O-Line since day 1, it's why Carr didn't work out and it's why Schaub only played 8-9 full games this season (he did get hurt twice vs. the Titans-who have a very good DL). But I think we really need to improve our O-Line to insure our investment in Schaub.
for those of you who really want a running back in this draft SI did a photo gallery of the top 12 running backs in the upcoming draft. top 12 RB's
Agreed. Though i'm not totally familiar with all of them. There's no one big real star running back this year, like in years past (McFadden is the top ranked). But we really still need to pick one in the 1st day to have any passing threat. I'd go with a CB, a RB that can catch passes and then run, and a pass rushing DE in the first round, not neccesarily in that order. I bet Parcells isn't too hapy about having the #1 pick because as of now, nobody deserves to be taken #1 in my book. Good luck trading it Miami...lol It's getting to where nobody wants that pick anymore. Anyone know if there's any good offerensive linemen out there that we could actually have a chance of signing in the off season that's an unrestricted free agent? That way we can save a draft pick and gain experience.
I would want to grab an o-lineman and corner in the free agency and draft a RB only because Runningbacks don't have a long shelf life and if we get a young RB he would be good for at least 5-7 years. IMO I would want either Jordan Gross or Max Starks for our oline and get Marcus Trufant or Asante Samuel as our CB for my wishlist. Here's a list of free agent O-lineman I got from footballsfuture.com Ruben Brown, UFA, Chicago Bears An aging veteran, Brown has a lot of experience opening holes for backs and allowing time for passers. He’s a solid guard who holds down his position quite well. If he decides to stick around, he may have a couple of good seasons left. Teams won’t line up to sign him, but there should be a handful that show interest. Alan Faneca, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers Faneca seems to be the most likely of this group to leave his current team. Rumors suggest that he plans on leaving after the season and contract extension talks have gone nowhere. Faneca is a quality guard who has started in five Pro Bowls and been selected as a first team All-Pro five times as well. He also still has some prime seasons of his career remaining. Faneca will receive the most interest at his position, could be the most coveted offensive linemen after the season, and should also be one of the most coveted players available in all of the NFL. Flozell Adams, UFA, Dallas Cowboys A veteran left tackle, Adams should hit the market and receive decent interest. A second-round pick in 1998, Adams has developed into one of the league’s better offensive linemen. His size, experience, and performance will lure teams into making a considerable offer for his services. The Cowboys are developing young talent behind him, and depending on how that youth pans out the rest of the season, the team could allow him to leave in favor of saving some money. Jordan Gross, UFA, Carolina Panthers With Gross’ contract voiding at season’s end, the Panthers will need to increase his salary in order to keep him around. The ownership seems to agree that he deserves a pay raise, and the team appears to want to keep him around as their starting right tackle. A former first-round selection who has played well, Gross will be looking for a considerably larger check come next season. Ryan Lilja, UFA, Indianapolis Colts A quality guard, Lilja is relatively young and has a Super Bowl ring to call his own. The Colts will do well to sign him to an extension, but there’s a chance that Lilja tests the market. In reality, the system that Lilja plays within is a nice fit, and he gets to protect Peyton Manning, so he could easily stay. Max Starks, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers Starks is young and massive, and another Pittsburgh player that may leave the Steel City. He’s 25 and is listed at 6’7” while weighing 337 pounds. His size and age will make him a desired player on many team’s list. A top tier tackle will always garner interest and Starks may lead the free agent class at the spot because of the potential he has shown on the field. Floyd Womack, UFA, Seattle Seahawks A big, experienced guard, Womack could get a decent offer from any team missing out on a top tier target like Faneca. If Womack isn’t the outright starter in Seattle this season, look for him to find work elsewhere with an expanded role guaranteed. Jake Scott, UFA, Indianapolis Colts Scott is the starting right guard for one of the top offensive line units in the entire NFL, and his ability to help protect Peyton Manning should equate to a nice contract number. Indianapolis has found a way to retain most of their line talent in recent seasons, and it should come as no surprise if Scott is locked into a long-term deal in the near future. Todd Steussie UFA St. Louis Rams Steussie has been a solid offensive tackle for several years, but he was placed on injured reserve earlier this season because of a foot injury. He’s approaching forty years of age, but he may still have a good season or two in him. He should receive some attention as a free agent simply because of his experience and the position he plays. Travelle Wharton UFA Carolina Panthers A late third-round selection in 2004, Wharton has developed into a solid starting left tackle. He has been a key reason for the successes that the Panthers have had, and his absence in 2006 was a key reason for the team’s struggles. Wharton’s rookie contract will expire at season’s end, and his value on the market should be fairly strong. A quality left tackle is hard to find, and team’s looking to bolster an offensive line will have to consider Wharton. Carolina will likely make every effort to work out an extension. Other Free Agent Offensive Linemen OG P.J. Alexander UFA Atlanta Falcons OT Nat Dorsey UFA Cleveland Browns OT Trai Essex RFA Pittsburgh Steelers OG Chris Kemoeatu RFA Pittsburgh Steelers OT Cory Lekkerkerker RFA San Diego Chargers OT Sean Locklear UFA Seattle Seahawks OG Brian Rimpf RFA Baltimore Ravens OG Keydrick Vincent UFA Baltimore Ravens OG Fred Weary UFA Houston Texans
McFadden is a big real star RB, this kid is going to be good. We currently only have 1 pick for the 1st day so if we don't pick one up in the 1st Round (or trade for extra picks) we'll have to wait til' day 2. I think McFadden deserves to be a #1 pick, but a RB isn't a top priority for Miami. Glen Dorsey maybe the best DL prospect to come out in a long time, it's definitely not the sexiest pick though.
Glen Dorsey is not the best DL prospect to come out in a long time. He may not even be the best DT in the draft.
I got news for everyone concerning the o line , there aren't any seniors worth top 20 picks. Long is ok and so is clady. Long is more like the kid from iowa a few yrs ago. Rivers,ellis,cromarie,mcelvin,adibi, and conner made themsleves and solidified 1st rd grades. I think its only going to be 1 or 2 backs going in the 1st 2 rds I think. I think they still have to go defense either at db or lb in the 1st.
if we dont get a solid LT, schaub isnt going to last long. if one of the top 3 OT dont fall to our pick, id rather trade it to pick up multiple picks. then we could address the OT, CB, RB in the 2nd, 3rd rounds.
Trading down for more picks is my #1 option, assuming a guy like Kenny Phillips doesn't fall to us. As far as the Top 3 OT (Long, Clady, Cherilus), I really think Sam Baker could be a valuable pick at #18. He has good size to go along with athleticism and quickness, both things that are required in a ZBS. He's also been a 4-year starter at USC and some considered him a Top 15 pick last year, not sure why he fell back this year.
