Houston Rockets are open to trading Alperen Sengun

So you’re ok trading Amen?

 

On Rockets roster needing to change if the Rockets added Giannis, the roster needs to change as is. Adding Giannis just adds clarity on who the primary socrer is that will allow the Rockets to make changes that they know will fit around the primary scorer.

Giannis would allow Aaron Holiday to play more. Jalen Green would have to go. Reed Sheppard gets someone that can pull guys away from him. FVV can sit back and hit catch and shoot threes at 40% like he's done since like the second week of the season.

The big questions would be can Amen and Giannis play together (or do rockets need a different perimeter playmaker), how to get Naz Reid or another stretch 5, and who plays SF (Brooks, tari, JSJ, or add a dead eye shooter).

On SA outbidding the Rockets, they run out of assets way before the Rockets. I doubt SA wants to be as deep as the Suns.

 

As they should be.....open to trading anyone.

When teams aren't good enough they need to try to improve anyone is avialable.

DD

 

If Sengun is as great as his fanboys think. We should be able to get a stud and multiple picks for him, but I’d rather keep him and trade Ime.

 

I think with Amen and Giannis, what you'd do is stagger their minutes (Amen goes to the bench early) until Amen finishes developing his jump shot. Maybe that wouldn't be necessary if he already has it going next season, but assuming it takes another year of development, that's what you'd do. Amen plays the first five minutes, gets a little rest, comes back in with the bench unit and takes over as the primary scoring option from Giannis.

Your statement that I bolded is the real key. There are precious few starting-caliber stretch 5s in the league, and we'd definitely need one of them. Unless Jabari can play that role (I doubt he can, at least for now--maybe if he bulks up more he could in another year or two).

 

amen shoots >55%FG , >68% from the line. and plays DPOY caliber defense. but nice "gotcha"

 

The Spurs #2 overall selection this year is more valuable than any draft pick the Rockets can offer.

it's probably more valuable than anything the Rockets have on their roster outside of Thompson.

 

I would not trade Amen. His skill set is unique.

 

Have y'all gone mental? He is a 52% FG career shooter. 56% FG career from 2s. That is comparable plus more than what every great big man from the beginning of time has averaged, including the guy y'all used to rag on but now get a hard on for.
What Nba did you guys watch.

I think when people watched a Teen Wolf offense for 9 seasons, that just required a lob threat who dunked 5 times with his 6 attempts per game it scrambled the brain along with the history of bigs all the way up to 2022.

Other than the great power centers Shaq and Dwight,

The Big Fundamental's first 6 seasons from 2s. 55%, 49, 49, 50, 51.

Mourning from 2s first 6 seasons, 51,50,52,53,55,51

Garnett mr. Automatic from 2s FG%, 49, 49,49, 47

Brook Lopez from 2s: 53, 50, 49, 52, 51, 47. Took out his missed seasons early
And so on.

 

Just to have to rebuild 2-3 years later with less assets

 

If you win 2 chips, its worth it

 

Sengun is more valuable than the second pick, IMO. I don't think the likely upside between Harper and Sengun is that different (Top 20ish player) to overlook the huge difference in floor. Over the last 4 years, Sengun has been better than at least 75% of the No. 2 picks, 75% of the No. 3 picks, and 75% of the No. 4 picks. Last year's draft is probably the only one Harper would have gone number 1.

Other than the No. 2 v. Sengun, I like the JSJ, Tari, Reed, Green, and Cam (Milwaukee pick 1-2, but will net fewer picks if 2) more than Sochan and Castle (Milwaukee pick 1-2). I don't think Castle and Sochan (Basically almost Amen level shooters) will be able to play with Harper (who is probably going to be a worse shooter than Jalen Green, but provide better playmaking and defense). With No. 2 taking out Sengun, the Rockets have the edge in draft picks in quantity and quality.

The Pelicans would really have to love Harper for the SA offer to be worth more, assuming the Rockets are willing to offer the same number of picks with Sengun.

 

I’m in the “Giannis’s game won’t age well” camp so I’d be hesitant to trade Alpi and ton of assets for him. Also, the moment he puts on a Rockets jersey his bull runs to the rim will suddenly become charges.

I think the team can look for small improvements now while waiting for the right move without having to unload everything we have. At the end of the day, do you want to try to contend with a small window now OR do you be patient and try to build a long-term contender?

 

...the last time FVV was shooting 40% on 3s was the 2nd week of the 2017 season. Would love to see where you got that stat from - it doesn't pass the eye test or the reality test for me

 

The No. 2 pick is not worth Amen or Sengun and probably not Jabari. Flagg yes, Harper no. Flagg proved it in college. Harper did not.

 

I don't get it. If you think having the #2 pick is all that special, you're falling for a marketing pitch and not examining the details.

Dylan Harper and Ace Bailey, whom you'd be picking between at #2, are good draft picks. They would be in the top tier in most drafts, but both are two years away from being #1 options for whoever drafts them. Dillon Brooks could probably push them around and hold them to single digits for some time.

Sengun is infinitely better than either. NBA teams have to build their entire scheme to slow him down, and if he applies himself in the summer and develops confidence in a 15-footer, everyone will have to go back to the drawing board.

Jalen has his moments when he can take over a game offensively. It drives us all crazy that he's not more consistent. But Harper and Bailey will spend two years lost in the woods before they are impacting games.

They are both better than Jabari and Tari, but Eason is going into this off-season as healthy as he's been. I'm expecting measurable growth on the offensive end.

 

Sengun in his 3rd year was better than Giannis in his 3rd year and comparable in his 4th year to Giannis’ 4th year. Considering that Alperen is 8 years younger and could continue to improve, Şengün+Brooks and no picks is as high as I’d go. They can go somewhere else and get a bunch of salary filler + 4 picks, but those picks are not likely at all to garner a player as good as Şengün.

Think back to the Gobert trade: 4 picks + 1 swap. The first pick turned into Keyonte George. The pick this year is in the 20s. The swap next year will not convey. The 2027 pick will still likely be in the 20s. The 2029 pick will convey nearly a decade (and probably multiple coaches and GMs) later, so who cares?

If they want to get real value for Giannis, it’s Şengün and Brooks, take it or leave it. Stone would be a fool to include picks.

 

Trading Sengun and 4 picks for Giannis is a non-starter for me. It would mean we are virtually stuck with a severely unbalanced roster. Unless Maxey becomes available there is not a superstar match for the Rockets. We should be concentrated on using anybody outside of Amen, Sengun, and Jabari to match with picks and balance out the roster. I know we disagree on this but FVV is the wrong guy for this team, because of his inability to break down defenses, his height and speed, and his inconsistency from 3. I think it’s a waste of Amen’s talent to play him at SF, but if all we can do is land a guy that can only play PG and shoot 3’s, we will improve dramatically. We need to be playing a very fast motion offense and FVV is not built for it and he is only going to regress going forward. Unfortunately, Ime is in charge of this team and he is going to insist on re-signing his boy.

 

Sengun is the only 22 who regressed at that age in the entire NBA. That shows his commitment to improvement! All summer holidays did not help much. I would not mind a Sengun + Cam + picks + filler trade for Giannis. Cam has more star potential than many of his team members. Maybe he explodes there.

 

He was at 38% this year and 42% last year according to nba.com. Also 46% in the playoffs this year.