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Umm, wrong. I see that you conceded that that's your personal taste, but still. The notion that rap is just party music really holds it back. The best rappers are the ones you won't hear at a party. Unfortunate? Yeah, but that's the way it is. Not many high schoolers bump much Common or Talib Kweli at their house parties...just the way it is. Though, you can say the same for rock also. I never hear any Led Zep or Beatles music at parties. Usually hear Lil Jon, Ludacris, Blink 182, pop-punk type bands. The most respectable artists I ever hear are Jay-Z, T.I., and the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Really though, listen to some Talib Kweli or Mos Def. These guys(And plenty of other rappers) do a lot more than just "strive" to be deep or artistic.
I think that's perhaps part of what made Kanye West so popular -- his album wasn't just party-music, club-banging, "money, hoes, and rims" stuff. It's not really a "fresh" approach (lots of other artists have been doing that for a long time), but it being popular is fresh. Granted, it's not on the level of a Michael Franti or Talib Kweli, but it's still deeper than Ying Yang Twins or something like that. It's too bad that the "socially-conscious" rap artists don't get more hype. I've been checking out Common a bit lately, and he's pretty good. Lyfe Jennings' album (R+B) is pretty cool too. It's got a sort of everyday life ups and downs attitude to it. Really good stuff.
One of the reasons I can't stand Biggie is that his raps sounded like he was recording them while trying to shove a burrito down his throat. The man sounded like a slobbering idiot. I love the voices that hit, flow, and deliver : Eminem, Tupac, X-Clan (Brother J), KRS-One, D.O.C., etc. Biggie to me always sounded like a blithering idiot when he rapped, and I could never get past that. I think Eminem is one of the most underrated rap artists. People usually hate him for the usual reasons - he's popular and he's white. And to pull this back on topic : no Houston rapper can touch Tupac or Eminem...
Are you kidding me? I think Biggies delivery is what made him so good. I still have never heard anyone who can do that as well as he did. Yeah lyrically he wasnt the best(while still up there), but his delivery was unmatched by anyone. Also songs that are deep are good, but that doesnt mean you should condemn others for listening to stuff you dont consider "deep". Also most of the time when people talk about "deep" music and act like they know something about music they mention Talib Kwali and Mos Def. I think these guys dont know **** and just like people to think they do because Em and Pac and some other mainstream rappers are just as "deep" sometimes but apparently not "deep" enough for them.
I love Paul Wall, I think his style and delivery is one of the best in the rap game today, much better than Eminem's IMHO (although Eminem is clearly a better lyricist). I wish Paul Wall would do more tracks though with Chamillionaire, they made some great stuff together. Chamillionaire is really, really talented, he will blow up sooner or later. My fav was "In Love with my Money", that was a hot, hot track
Best lyricists IMO: 2pac, Nas, Eminem. I love Nas, I think he is one of the most underrated rappers of all time. I love "serious" stuff too, btw, it's always refreshing to hear something more serious and that makes a statement among all the "money and hoes" rap tracks out there. My fav rappers of all time: 2Pac, Nas Best producer of all time: Dre, and NO ONE comes as a close second.
I've heard Talib and Mos Def a few times in Chappelle's Show of all places. They're definitely good at what they do and it's nice that they aren't fronting like gangsters, but I have to say that their music just doesn't speak to me. I don't know if it's because I'm a white dude from the 'burbs or what, I just don't have much desire to listen to this sort of rap when I'm just hanging out. I understand why others like it but it's not my thing. Also, I haven't heard any of this kind of stuff screwed, and that's the sound that really appeals to me. Devin is my favorite rapper and he talks about basically nothing except smoking weed and poon. You can't help what you like, I guess.
You could say the same thing about Eminem, how many times is he going to say the things he says over and over again? Yes, he repeats them just like Pac did. I am not denying that Eminem is a great rapper or lyricist but he himself called himself "white Pac" on wax. I have read and listened to the "Renegade" verses and they are great but I still have a hard time putting him as a whole above Pac, he may be better at some things than Pac was but as a whole Pac was above anybody in the genre, IMO. As said before, Pac may not have been the best lyricist but it was the passion, emotion,style, and delivery that made his music great. The man also had a tremendous work ethic, constantly in the studio. I think he recorded ten of the tracks on "All Eyez on Me" the night he was released from prison. I agree with Vengeance on Biggie being the one overrated. I wrote a long paper on this subject several years ago as a matter of fact. There are some key elements that I pointed out. I may dig it up and post some later on.
Yeah, Kanye was able to appeal to both radio and album listeners. He's not the greatest lyricist(Especially when he collaborates with the likes of Jay-Z, Common, etc...), but he usually holds his own and focuses on being conscious. So much so that sometimes it even seems forced. Still one of my favorites, though. I don't really see that at all. Neither Talib nor Mos is really that deep, and I think most of their listeners know that. They're talented lyricists who usually rap about things that matter. That's why I like them. It's cool to hear Tupac's metaphors, but I could live without them. I like Eminem alright(I do think he's vastly overrated, though), but I hate how he sells out and makes 2-3 terrible, radio-friendly songs so that his albums will go 5X platinum. Yeah, Kanye makes top 40 radio pretty often, but his three biggest songs were "All Falls Down," "Jesus Walks," and "Through the Wire," all of which are insightful commentaries on (the shortcomings of) himself/society. In summary, who gives a **** about deep? Hippieloser, You're right...it's about personal preference, but if you ever want to hear some non-party rap, it's definitely out there.
You guys forgot to mention the Arabic Assassin. He was on 13 news because he got fired from his job as a baggagge screener at IAH. Turns out one of his songs is about crashing planes into buildings. Talk about trying to court contreversy. http://www.soundclick.com/pro/?BandID=351031
Okay, so you come in and bash my post, but you have the exact same opinion as me? Nobody ever said Eminem is better than Tupac as a whole, we were all saying Eminem was a better lyricist. If you put everything together, then you're talking about a the whole package, instead of just the lyrics that he writes. Anyway, I know exactly what you're saying. That's why I love Tupac too...for his delivery and style.
Well, they talk about stuff that you wouldn't find on the radio. They're underground artists and people mistaken these artists for being "deep". It depends on your definition, but these artists are pretty deep in my opinion.
Pun, I totally agree with you on what makes Tupac popular. I find DoD's post about Biggie funny. While I think Biggie has an awesome delivery, you can hear the weight he gained between albums one and two. The guy just sounds like it is hard for him to breathe. I understand why some people think Biggie is overatted. His lyrics are really good, but to me they were never on Nas's or Jay Z's level. But just like Tupac, its the overral package. And that dude is one big package. J/K but seriously he was one of the best storytellers, he had one of the most distinctive styles, he had some of the best punclines. Like on the One More Chance Remix, "Major Pain like Damon Wayans Low Down Dirty even like his brother Kennan" He was the total M.C. I also think Ready to Die is overrated and I think Life After Death is a much better album.
