I don't know, what does that matter? I am saying that Ginobli and Tmac are not that far apart..... I know people here are going to love them some Tmac...no big deal, I get that....but if you put the same poll up on the San Antonio forums...no way they trade Ginobli..... What would be interesting is to see the poll put up at a nuetral fan's site..... DD
Tmac vs Manu in player-to-player is very much debatable, but Tmac vs Manu in matching value trade would tip the scale to Manu imo. Meaning, if you replace Tmac with Manu, and add another 10M salary player, maybe a PG or a big man, Rockets wins more games, IMHO. Timmy was injured for a while this season, and Manu carried that team. I'm too lazy to check the game log, but you can look it up.
what are you smoking? EVERY freakin' media person has said, along with adelman, sloan, and all utah guys have all said he's been doubled constantly, and starting the 4th, occassionally a THIRD guy comes to him too. what games have you been watching?
one guy is playing as a first option. the other is playing as a switch b/t 2nd and 3rd option. how the hell can you compare those 2 DD? how do you know they're not that far apart? has manu even make on damn all-nba team yet? it's not about just loving a guy on our team. it's about talking common sense. lamar odom right now is BALLIN' as a 3rd option in LA. double doubles 90% of the games. you think he can do that as a first option? i think you're all just attracted to manu's hardworking and relentless attack and i love those qualities too. but he's doing that as a 2ND/3RD OPTION. he's not gonna do that as a first option. you have to do so much with so much expectations as a first option and manu is not capable of that. hell he only plays 30mpg.
he never had to carry the team himself though. when parker was out, duncan was still there. when duncan was out, parker was there. when manu is out, you have the other 2. that's why they keep rolling.
True, that's why I think we Rockets fans tend to overvalue our own talent pool. Spurs have the luxury of having Manu come off the bench. Think about that.
i don't think manu is a 6th man b/c he wanted it. it's b/c pop wanted him to. he tried manu as a starter 2 yrs ago and it didn't work out very well. his level of play isn't as good, his energy level wasn't as high, and the team wasn't performing as well. that's why manu is off the bench. he's fresher, has more energy, and starts out against the 2nd teams of the opponents to get his rhythm. when he was inserted to the starting lineup this yr, he avg 34-35 mins. that's not that much of an icrease from 32 mpg he averaged this yr. manu is an energy guy. if you play him too much, he's not manu anymore. pop knows that and has admitted that. there's a reason he averages 32 mpg in the playoffs his entire CAREER.
Says who? Go back and watch the second half of game 1. There was at least one segment where ABC replayed Harpring's defense of T-Mac. I remember it clearly because Harpring slipped, went down to all fours, and still managed to stay in front of T-Mac in single coverage. When T-Mac drove he tried to dish it off to Battier in traffic and the pass got picked off. Whoever the lady announcer was singled out Harpring for praise because he was shutting down T-Mac--in single coverage. Yes, T-Mac got doubled, although from what I saw it was mostly off the pick and roll. But he also saw a fair amount of single coverage and when he did he wasn't able to exploit it by beating his defender, whether it was Kirilenko or Harpring or Korver.
generally guys with high bball IQ thrive as 2nd/3rd options, especially if they pass well (hint hint) and can handle the ball. I think people see a player in a certain role for a long time and think that's all they can do. Tracy would be good playing off of Duncan and Parker if not brilliant. I remember when some people thought Odom was a selfish tweener. He actually has the ball in his hands way more than Pau but its because he is their best playmaker (yes, better than Kobe) but not their best player. He can pound you on the boards and make the right decisions because no one is focusing on him. Imagine what a better caliber player with a similar skill set would do.
I guess what I am saying is that it is fairly obvious these days that Tmac is not a number 1 option either. DD
fans here would be in for a rude awakening... realgm player comparison polls had a thread about top 25 sgs at the end of the season, and majority of the replies had Manu above Mcgrady..... http://www.******************/viewtopic.php?t=781218
you think about basketball way too much without truly knowing much about it. if tmac had duncan and parker and had the chance to come in the twice a game and play against bench players im pretty sure he would do pretty well. beside the fact that no gm in this league would trade tmac and manu if they had the same salaries. and probably not now either.
and also people's perception changes when you win. tmac cant do it alone. and he probably would win a bit more if he had duncan one of the 3-4 best PFs of all time and parker the guy that beat our your better player and tmac and duncan for mvp of the finals. they are in the same discussion but tmac does a lot more for his team to win then just drive to the basket over and over, and spot up for open 3s all game. what a joke
