agree. ginobili is good because he plays with duncan, parker, etc and he is on the right team. he comes off the bench and is a very useful player. but come on, you can't compare tracy to ginobili. he's a 3rd option on the team that has duncan, parker and has won a lot of championships. it is ridiculous. he couldn't led the team to 55 wins in that wild west.
You guys calling him the 3rd option have not been watching him play this year, he leads that team in scoring and has the ball in his hands 100% of the time in crunch situations. He is NOT a 3rd option..... DD
I love it when people say that no man can do more for his team than what T-mac is doing for the Rockets in the playoffs.... explain to me how a 5' 11" guy is averaging 34ppg, 13apg, 4rpg, 2 topg, on a SIXTY-FOUR PERCENT FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE and 80% ft shooting with 3.5 spg? let me guess, he isnt being doubled ??? No, T-mac can do more for his team, but he isnt stepping up... its that simple...
This is why I want more time for Aaron Brooks to see if he can develop into even a poor man's version of CP3. But to be fair, Dallas does not play near the level of defense as Utah.... DD
seriously.... CP3 could possibly become the best point gaurd to ever play this game..... Those stats are through the roof compared to his regular season averages.... True definition of someone raising his game for the playoffs... Its funny, but those stats still do not do him justice.... We would be lucky if AB becomes a quarter of the player CP3 is.... The can dominate a game more than anyone in the league(even more than Lebron) yet, he is under 6ft tall.... A TRUE WARRIOR!
but he is not a leader i'd be interesting to so what would ginobili reach with Spurs without Duncan and Parker? I think nothing
I concede that Tmac is playing with a lot less talent than Ginobli is and Tmac is playing a much tougher team. I just like Ginobli's attack at all costs mentality over Tmac's pass it off when pressured demeanor. DD
There have been a few times when T-mac has been iso'd at the top of the 3pt line.... yet he still had issues going past his man.... Ginoboli has a much quicker first step... It seems as if Mcgrady just does not have the tools anymore for him to be a relentless attacker to the basket.... Ginoboli however does....
man.. seriously? He has Duncan and Parker, he wasn't even doubled when he took the ball all the way to the hoop in game 1!! He is at best second option along with Parker. Whereas TMac is THE ONLY option with this rockets team and yet he delivered after getting doubled and tripled ALL night. Simple question, can Ginobli lead this Rockets team to a 55 game season??? HECK NO. Talk about understanding basketball. Just because Ginobli scored couple of 25+ points he is now better than TMac?? What about the assist numbers?? what about the rebounds?? RIDICULOUS.
The fact is that Tracy hasn't been doubled consistently in the first two games against Utah. Jeff Harpring did an excellent job of staying in front of him in the second half of game 1 and forcing him into making bad passes--and that was in single coverage. McGrady couldn't even exploit a mismatch against Kyle Korver in single coverage effectively. What's more, Manu is a significant factor on an aging Spurs team. Sure, they won championships before but he's done a huge part in picking up the slack as Duncan slows down. You may like to think that the only reason he's effective is because he's on a team with Duncan and Parker but really you have no way of knowing that. The only way to really find out is to do the experiment and move him to another team. On the other hand, there are a few things about him that are not debatable: 1) He's relentless. I don't know what they feed kids in Argentina but their NBA players are hard nosed, blue collar guys. Look at Scola. You knock Manu down and he's just going to get back up and do the same thing to you, over and over and over again. 2) He's clutch. He thrives in pressure situations. How many times with the game on the line do the Spurs get the ball into his hands? 3) He's unselfish. He could easily be a starter (in our hypothetical trade to the Rockets he would be) and he's coming off the bench. There are no media reports of an unhappy Spurs locker room, no rumors either. I think it's a safe bet that he'd keep those qualities no matter what team he was on. His strengths have been magnified in comparison to T-Mac's weaknesses over the last few games. For whatever reason, health maybe, T-Mac hasn't been able to consistently drive to the basket over the course of an entire game. That's not a problem that Manu has. What's more, he's not fragile. If he gets knocked down he's going to get back up and keep driving. He has the grit that McGrady lacks. Let's not forget there's another important advantage he has over McGrady: 4) He makes $10 million less a year in salary. Like I said before, you just get more bang for the buck in Manu. That's why this trade would never happen. The Spurs would have to be crazy to give him up, especially for T-Mac.
The problem is that there's not supposed to be a ball stopper in this offense. I think the Rockets have looked their best when they play the actual motion offense. A good gauge of how well they're doing that is the number of passes per possession and how many Rockets players get to touch the ball per possession. The last couple of games it's been McGrady dribbling, dribbling, dribbling away. Or somebody dribbles down the court and jacks up a quick shot. Or somebody tries to penetrate and throws one pass and the Rockets hoist up a shot. What happened to the patience the Rockets were showing on offense during the winning streak? They'd move the ball around, passing it from player to player, until they finally got the easy, open look at the basket they wanted. Maybe in the absence of Yao the Rockets have decided to go with what's comfortable but it's frustrating that it always seems like it's two steps forward, one step back in implementing Adelman's offense.
If nothing else, look at what happened when Ginobili was injured and how bad the Spurs were. He is by far a better value than TMac; that's just simply not debatable.
Tmac has only played this way since he had to. In toronto he was their defensive stopper and played off the ball. He is really about trying to do the things that help the team win. No doubt, Ginobli attacks more and might work harder than tmac but when the heck has that ever meant someone was a better player. Chuck Hayes works much harder than most guys in the league and he is very efficient at defense and rebounding but that doesn't mean that he's better than Drew Gooden. I'm not so sure that tmac would be a 'ball stopper' in SA either and he wouldn't take it out of Parker's hands because the offense doesn't call for it. Either way, atleast 2 coaches now have raved about how good he is playing that way. I think the rest of the team just standing there is a bigger problem than him making the plays. I wouldn't consider Lebron or Wade or Paul or Kidd ball stopper when they make plays.
O REALLY. SO WHEN YAO MING WENT DOWN. YOUR TELLIN ME THAT YOU REPLACE T-MAC WITH MANU. LANDRY GOES DOWN AND WE STILL WIN 22. GTFOH!!!!
We won 10 in a row without Yao...not 22...... And with Yao we were 16-0 prior to him going out, the only loss during that time was to Utah when Yao was out with the flu. TMac of 5 years ago was a dominant force, this Tmac is a very good player, but no longer dominant, at least over the course of the entire game. DD
