So what... you only start cheering for them after 20 years? You only cheer for them when they win and look good? C'mon... you can choose what makes you a fan of certain teams (as people can become fans of other teams simply due to one player)... but to begrudge other houstonians who were begging for a chance to get back in the NFL, at their choices (and how they defend their choices), and to make fun of their loyalty on top of it... it just makes for a bad argument all around. I choose to root for the Texans now, when they suck, and when they'll be good... and if I had been around at the start of the Rockets franchise, or the Colt 45's, it would have been the same way.
You come out with this argument a lot.. but I guess some people just become fans differently from you. For you, I guess the attachment comes from growing up with a team. For the most part, I agree. But without an NFL team, the Texans were able to fill that void, and I became diehard for them too. How it happened? I can't say. But just because there's no history doesn't mean some fans out there aren't as attached and diehard as you are about the Rockets/Astros. Get your point though...and I guess maybe it'll take another 20 years until the fanbase is large enough to have a stadium full of diehards. What I don't get is how this argument lets you say VY is more Houston than the Texans. The Texans have existed in your life for 5 years.. VY has existed in your life for, what, 5-6? (I'm not sure if you followed him in HS or not..so maybe more) But just the fact that you "know" he's from Houston...should hold as much weight as the fact that you know the Texans are Houston's team, right?
i know. i'm terrible. i feel just awful about it. look. i'm super-homer, super-fan for the astros and rockets. i get that. i grew up with those teams. i grew up here. i'm a 4th generation houstonian. there are few people in the world that love their hometown more than i do. the texans aren't truly a part of the fabric of this city, yet. not in my view. they aren't the family you're born into that you grow up with...they're the roommate you got stuck with in college after you went pot-luck. my oldest kid feels differently. he's 6. he loves the texans. they're his and they're part of the houston he's growing up in. i think that's great. i watch games with him. i root for them with him. but i don't feel remotely for them what he does. and i don't feel remotely for them what i felt for the oilers..and what i still feel for the astros and rockets. so forgive me if i get a little defensive when the super-fans say, "see...we have such bad fans." because it's not the same thing with the 'stros and rockets. if people were jumping ship from them, i'd be right there with you. but i'm not sure i was over onboard with the texans, to begin with. i'm sure there are a lot like me here in town.
Sorry, cheap shot wasn't in reference to what you said..it was what Al Michael's said after the Bush touchdown. And I knew it was coming too. It's hard to just enjoy a players performance when just about everyone, every week, keeps bringing up the fact that the Texans are fools for not taking them. And yeah I know it's something that will never go away. Even if the Texans win a Super Bowl down the road, if the Saints or the Titans win one first, it'll be, "well ya'll could have won sooner if you had picked VY or Bush." I just want to enjoy watching the Texans and football in general without being reminded of the fact that the team didn't pick these guys, cause what's done is done.
I am too Cause honestly . .the attitude is of these folx. . and to an extent the Texans is YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY YOU GOT A TEAM Like Giving a **** sandwich to a Starving man . .then say. . You should be happy to have that . . . Then . . When some Prime rib comes available. . they say .. HEY . . You keep the sh*T sandwich . . cause it is best for the team . . . .we'll take this bologna Then when you see the Prime Rib . . .your mouth water they tell you . . YOU A BANDWAGONER. . YOU UNGRATEFUL . . YOU EVIL I'm sorry if the Houston fan DEMANDS GOOD FOOTBALL!! I'm Sorry the Houston FAN is not A SHEEP . . a LEMMING blindly following and drinking the d*mn Kool-Aid Rocket River
Portland still hears about Sam Bowie. . . I guess someone there was hoping Jordan and Hakeem broke their legs too Rocket River
because i was watching VY play for madison before reliant stadium was finished. before the texans ever played a down of football. then i watched him win a national title for Texas. then i watched him beg mcnair to pick him. i hear him prop up houston, constantly. the guys who play on the texans?? eh...some will stick around. some might like it here. others will eventually be gone. VY ain't going anywhere. he'll still prop up houston wherever he goes. it's home to him, as it is to me. i'm guessing MJ created some Bulls fans in Carolina.
I'm fine with the media praising Bush and Young; by all means praise their accomplishments. And if they were on the Texans, such praise wouldn't change. But if they were on the Texans, I hardly think the media would be saying things like, ""Reggie Bush is fun to watch unless you're a fan of the Houston Texans." or "What were we thinking on draft day?"
I still...and will ALWAYS root for the Texans....no matter how much they suck As long as they are still the HOUSTON Texans. I'll be a fan. I bleed blue, white, and on Battle Red day...Red. And believe me, i've been bleeding a lot through the years. The future can only get better....
i'm not begrudging anyone anything, nick. i'm explaining why i don't have a deep-seeded character flaw because i'm not ga-ga over this franchise, despite the fact they play their home games in my hometown. root for whoever the hell you want to, nick. i don't care a bit.
LOLL TRUE... they always want that "DISCOUNT" ROFL... always tryna get a DEAL.. its pathetic.. be a MAN and don't act like a sissy.. That's how you lost BUSH(over a few million dollars more) and now Pettitte (over 2 mill a year) If you want it, Go get it! Don't sit on your ass and let opportunities pass by. You know what's funny? These guys who decided not to draft the players, are the same guys who hope one day players like Vince Young and Rashard Lewis will come sign as a free agent on a "Hometown Discount" LMAO Houston Managements SUCK
i have no idea how i'd feel nick. do you feel better thinking that might be so? does it give you an air of superiority as a better person? why the hell does everyone care so much??
And just where do you think turning our back on the Texans is going to get us? This is an honest question. I want to know, deep in your heart of heart, your mind of minds, where you think all this pissing, moaning, gloating, and told-you-soing is going to get us?
Loyalty is not a flaw. We're loyal to VY. He's the greatest player in our favorite school's history (no offense to some really good players including two Heisman winners). He's my favorite player in any sport. I have a flaw though because I want revenge. Rooting for VY as a Titan is not the same as it would be rooting for VY as a Texan. Knowing the Texans will draft a QB to replace Carr (Brady Quinn?), hurts. The Browns will probably draft their hometown boy Troy Smith. It's not fair. I could understand Bush but I can never understand Mario. My 0.02.
Because everybody knows its much easier to say "I have no loyalty" to a team when they suck, rather than if they had been built properly as a franchise, and were winning consistently by now. THAT is what people may be criticizing you on (I dunno... I missed the whole "character flaw" thing). I understand that winning breeds loyalty... and I'm fine with that. I don't expect Houstonians to support a team that hasn't won/doesn't win... it's NEVER happened, and never will (including when MMP doesn't get 20,000 per night if they don't get better starting pitching).
until 2005, my astros had won very little. i love them. they're mine. i grew up with them. i went to games with my dad. i watched them with my dying grandmother. they were as much a part of my summers growing up in houston as anything else. that they had won little frustrated me...but it didn't stop me from watching religiously. sorry...but i don't have that for the texans. criticize me all you want, nick. i don't know you from adam. i don't give a tinker's damn what you think of me. particularly if it evolved from who i rooted for in a mother falcon football game.
I wish the Texans had a different name. Texans is too...contrived. Pandering to...blandness. There was probably a focus group and someone said, "with this name we can say the Cowboy's are 'America's Team' while we're Texas's team." They should have went with something cool. Like the Shadow Murder Bolts or the Chaz Palminteri-s...
I'm not criticizing you at all... do whatever you want. I'm explaining why people have a problem with your stance. Frankly, I've understood your stance all along... the team wasn't around, so there was no way to invoke that innate sense of attachement that many people develop as a youth... and its hard to follow them. Its much harder to follow them when they lose, and lose spectacularly as they have. On the contrary, they probably would have developed a decent following by now if they had started winning. 20 years from now, the teenagers here who've been bickering about Mario vs. Bush vs. VY will look back on these days with nostalgia... as it will make the Texans success that much sweeter. But all in all (you excluded)... Houstonians don't support losers. Never have, and they never will.
