I used to think that, but why not? I don't buy the argument that smoking and drinking go hand in hand, as you note you have a better time now in smoke free bars than you did before. (particularly when smoking outside is SO easy to do most of the time - you step outside, smoke and then return. Not that hard, even when it's cold.)
yeah, i was wondering myself what the hell he's on about. bars are for drinking, smoking, shootin' pool, and picking up girls. wait, maybe we should outlaw picking up chicks because that might lead to illicit activities. wait, someone could get aids, ****.
The reason is because if you smoke while you fuel a jet you can blow yourself and the jet up. Not so in a bar. Unless it's an oxygen bar . Again the problem is that one side is willing to compromise and one isn't.
Bars are for drinking - that is the only activity that is integral to a bar. Shooting pool is not integral, most bars don't have pool tables. picking up girls is not integral, ever hear of gay bars? I would say that urination and vomiting are more closely associated with drinking than smoking is. But we force people to go to another place to urinate or vomit, because it would inconvenience other people to let people use a chamber pot in the bar area. Why should smoking be any different?
Ironically, there is a place IN the bar for you to urinate and vomit. Of course neither of those are practices comparable to smoking. Someone talking loudly, wearing too much perfume, or playing music loudly can inconvience other people. Maybe we should ban that in bars.
one of my favorite things about europe, although things are changing there too, is the fact that you can smoke and drink almost anywhere you want. how great it is to grab a six-pack and head to the park or the beach.
...so wait, you're telling me that you'd prefer to have to go to a special little room approximately the size of a toilet stall to smoke rather than stand outside? Honestly what is the difference? If I were a smoker I would prefer the latter. Why are neither of these things comparable to smoking? You're expelling noxious substances from your body, substances that nobody wants to see or be around as a general matter.
I do drink at home... but thegary is right. Bars are for drinkin', smokin' and womanizin'. Regards, Brock
I do drink at home as well as in bars. What's your point? Mine is taht a bar without smoking is still a bar (as any of the thousands of packed, smoke free bars, pubs, and taverns in manhattan will attest) A bar without drinking is not still a bar. I don't see anything about smoking in that definition do you?
No, I am merely pointing out that the examples you use are, in fact, allowed IN the bar. C'mon Sam, there is a difference between a burning plant and your bodily waste. That there are smoking advocates denies your assertion that nobody wants to see or be around it. I doubt there are any advocates for vomiting or urinating at the table in a bar. But let's take your example, as absurd as it is. Are you saying that a cigar bar should also allow urinating and vomiting at the table? They are, according to you, the same thing.
Well there's technological reasons for that, but let's say they came up with a smoke toilet of sorts - you'd be ok with going into the men's room and smoking away? Very few people who don't smoke want to be around it if given the option not to. I mean I'm sure there's people who like others urine or vomit too but again as a general matter it's something that inconveniences many for the sake of the few. What if I called a bar "PISSERS" and I put up signs that only people who enjoyed public urination were welcome there? Am I good to go? If so how is this different?
http://www.braytonlaw.com/news/mednews/050704_passive_smoke.htm http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=35422 http://www.no-smoke.org/getthefacts.php?id=13 http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/secondhandsmoke/ The adverse effects of secondhand smoke are a medically accepted fact.
No, that would be true if i said drinking was EXCLUSIVE to bars. Drinking is INTEGRAL to bars. Not the same thing.
