House passes war appropriations bill - Chimpy throws a hissy fit

Is that right out of the anti-bush/liberla/whatever handbook? That rhetoric gets old

 

I'd hate to lose anymore lives, but it's not my call.

 

no but when you keep repeating these trite lines it losses its luster.

i didnt refuse to answer, i thought that was just a rhetorical question...which i think it actually is. But again, you are just playing the emotion card and doesnt make it a good argument.

 

This bill DOES end the war. It sets a time frame and starts the clock. That is the point.

If it takes 19 months, the Congress will authorize expenditures past the Oct. '08 deadline. If things are truly improving over there and they just need some support for a little longer, the Congress will extend the deadline.

If things are still a Mess'o'potamia, we have things set to get our troops out of the middle of their civil war.

 

There's a difference between starting the clock and ending the war. The bills Congress are putting forward say you have X amount of time to end the war unless things go well. That is fine as rhetoric but writing that into legislation is legislating a tactical decision.

 

You are right. The only solution here is a political one that they will not get to unless they are prodded. We are telling them that they have 18 months to get their s*** together or we are going to get out. If they still need some support, but are making significant progress, we will give them that support. However, we need to start the clock so that they know not only that we won't be there forever, but so that they know EXACTLY how long they have to enact a solution.

I am arguing to start the clock. If we let this go on until the election, the clock won't even START until Jan. '09, because Bush will NEVER start that clock himself. His intransigence will not let him. We need to start the clock now, not 18 months from now.

 

We are a democracy. The people voted for anti-war candidates in '06 because we want the war to end.

That is the only poll that truly matters. The people want the war to end. The people want a timeline. They should get it.

 

It is all about what Americans want. We decided on and elected candidates that told us they would end the war, which is what they are trying to do.

The administration had 18 months to find a "solution" to this mess or we are out of there, as it should be.

 

The Iraqis need to take control of their country.......we need our troops home.

Start the clock !

DD

 

If the bill is unconstitutional, why didn't Bush just call it what it is instead of threatening to veto? Other than veto, what else can a President do to kill an unconstitutional bills?

 

they cant. thats the problem. Now, do you leave a country and its people that need help?

I do find it amazing that people are so concerned about our troops (and rightfully so) but have so little regard for iraqis. THey arent american so screw them... right?

 

yeah, you are right. Its all Bush's fault and as soon as america leaves iraq everything will be perfect again and iraq will flourish and rejoice on mountain tops.

right....

 

lol. So does responding to every damning condemnation with the same "you're clouded by your bush hate" and "liberal propoganda" shtick.

If you disagree that the war was a mistake and is a failure, that's fine. But don't hide behind some TJ-esque bull**** that I or other anti-war folks are only of that mindset due to our dislike of Bush.

If you have an opinion, say it - and quit with the assinine conjectures as to what motivates those who voice the opposite.

 

You are damn right. We have done it in Vietnam already. Also, we put anyone but Americans in Gitmo. That must mean something.

We are selfish. I don't understand why we should refrain from saying so when asked.

 

well when all the guy does is constantly refer to the person and not the problem...its sort of obvious.

i never said it was not fine to disagree with the war. but we were talking about leaving iraq and the timetable set by the house. i thought that was clear.

well if i understand their motives i can better understand where they are coming from. Im sorry that i wish to know more about how he thought and why. From now on i wont try to learn about other people. i apologize

ok. i think our 'discussion' is over. have fun blaming the problems of the world on 1 person. My question is who are you going to blame after he is gone? or will you just continue to blame him?

but im glad we could talk about the actual topics and not a person..of wait..we didnt.