House Democrat calls for immediate troop withdrawal

The three Democrats who voted were Jose Serrano of New York, Robert Wexler of Florida, and Cynthia McKinney of Georgia.

 

One was a Repulican and two were Democrats.

 

Is this a serious question? Do you really believe there is this much support for the president's plan in Congress or the US?

 

basso puts as much stock in this vote as he does the 911 report and the robb-silberman report.

 

[Duh]Yeah, that bill was presented as Murtha intended.[/Duh]

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It's a shame the repubs don't have the balls to even discuss the issue ~ resorting to rewording the proposal is almost as cowardly as Jean Schmidt's moronic comment.

 

off topic...



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Locked doors thwart Bush's bid to duck question

Irked by a reporter who told him he seemed to be "off his game" at a Beijing public appearance, President George W. Bush sought to make a hasty exit from a news conference but was thwarted by locked doors.

At the end of a day of meetings with Chinese President Hu Jintao and other Chinese officials, Bush held a session with a small group of U.S. reporters and spoke at length about issues like religious freedom, Iraq and the Chinese currency.

The final reporter he called on critiqued Bush's performance earlier in the day when he stood next to Hu in the Great Hall of the People on Tiananmen Square to deliver a statement.

"Respectfully, sir -- you know we're always respectful -- in your statement this morning with President Hu, you seemed a little off your game, you seemed to hurry through your statement. There was a lack of enthusiasm. Was something bothering you?" he asked.

"Have you ever heard of jet lag?" Bush responded. "Well, good. That answers your question."

The president then recited a list of things of that he viewed as positive developments from his Beijing meetings, including cooperation on North Korean nuclear disarmament and the ability to have "frank discussions" with his Chinese counterpart.

When the reporter asked for "a very quick follow-up," Bush cut him off by thanking the press corps and telling the reporter "No you may not," as he strode toward a set of double doors leading out of the room.

The only problem was that they were locked.

"I was trying to escape. Obviously, it didn't work," Bush quipped, facing reporters again until an aide rescued him by pointing to him toward the correct door.

 

To show that the Dems are full of it when calling for a withdrawl.

Fact is, everyone favors a withdrawl - in a smart fashion that doesn't leave the country in anarchy. Dems are being ridiculous and the Republicans showed them out.

 

"I support freedom! China should support freedom! Freedom of the press, freedom of religion! Um... no questions, thanks."


Classic.

 

If the Dems are full of it then why not debate the bill as it was? That is what generally happens in legislative body.

Murthah, who was a wounded Viet Nam veteran who was wounded. He was in favor of action in Iraq orginally. Then he saw the results and put forth a bill that would draw the troops as early as possible. It is a judgement call, but I haven't seen many people who saw his speech and didn't beleive it was genuine and sincere.

If you or the GOP doesn't like that plan, they could have had it introduced and debated the bill. If the bill was so full of it, it shouldn't have been too hard to debate and defeat, right? The GOP does have the majority in the house.

Instead they added there own unrealistic piece which was that instead of withdrawing as soon as possible, the troops should withdraw immediately.

Rather than debate the bill on its merits they put something in so ludicrous that there was no debate. Is a stunt like this that squashes debate in a house of congress, really a great job?

 

Jet lag my ass. It's not that Bush just flew to Beijing from Washington overnight - he's been in Asia for almost a week. The last stop was in Seoul, South Korean, only an hour of flight away to the Chinese capital.

 

He has set a modern record, easily, for the fewest press conferences during his Presidency. Several of the ones he did do were overseas, where taking questions from the press during the course of a state visit is considered standard operating procedure, and always has been.

Any wonder Bush is restricted from talking to the press? He puts his foot in his mouth, and looks the definition of the Peter Principal that he is, whenever he can't read from the script on the teleprompter. Frankly, it's yet another national humiliation he has saddled the country with. And people wonder why our standing overseas is so low.



Keep D&D Civil.

 

Murtha’s Resolution:

Whereas Congress and the American People have not been shown clear, measurable progress toward establishment of stable and improving security in Iraq or of a stable and improving economy in Iraq, both of which are essential to "promote the emergence of a democratic government";

Whereas additional stabilization in Iraq by U, S. military forces cannot be achieved without the deployment of hundreds of thousands of additional U S. troops, which in turn cannot be achieved without a military draft;

Whereas more than $277 billion has been appropriated by the United States Congress to prosecute U.S. military action in Iraq and Afghanistan;

Whereas, as of the drafting of this resolution, 2,079 U.S. troops have been killed in Operation Iraqi Freedom;

Whereas U.S. forces have become the target of the insurgency,
Whereas, according to recent polls, over 80% of the Iraqi people want U.S. forces out of Iraq;

Whereas polls also indicate that 45% of the Iraqi people feel that the attacks on U.S. forces are justified;

Whereas, due to the foregoing, Congress finds it evident that continuing U.S. military action in Iraq is not in the best interests of the United States of America, the people of Iraq, or the Persian Gulf Region, which were cited in Public Law 107-243 as justification for undertaking such action;

Therefore be it

1) Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

That: Section 1. The deployment of United States forces in Iraq, by direction of Congress, is hereby terminated and the forces involved are to be redeployed at the earliest practicable date.

Section 2. A quick-reaction U.S. force and an over-the-horizon presence of U.S Marines shall be deployed in the region.

Section 3 The United States of America shall pursue security and stability in Iraq through diplomacy.

The resolution put forth by the republicans:

Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately.

1 Resolved, That it is the sense of the House of Representatives that the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately.



Now who's being disingenuous?

 

Define "As soon as possible" versus "Immediately"

Look - everyone wants the troops home as soon as possible, including the troops. The Republicans don't want to stay there forever - and for the democrats to try to debate a bill saying troops should be removed "as soon as possible" is just pandering to public opinion.

It's the Dems who are playing politics, and I salute the GOP for calling the Dems bluff and showing the country that the Dems have no backbone to anything they say.

 

There has never been a greater OWNING in the history of Congressional votes. Never. Here you have Murtha coming out with his insane comment on cutting and running like a coward, and all the Hollywood and other kook fringe liberals climbing on board and announcing things like "the vast majority are behind you Murtha" and "people are starting to wake up to Bush's failed policy". Guess what, when put to a vote, the crying, moaning liberals were proven, by one of the largest landslides ever, to be OUT OF TOUCH with reality. If this doesn't shut them up, what will?

So the next time a liberal claims that the people support immediate withdrawal from Iraq, point them to this vote. They are simply out of touch. No wonder they don't control any branch of government.

403-3. Gnaw on that for a while, libs.

 

Nice...

Here we have NewYorker and TJ calling one of the most respected and admired military men in congress a coward with no backbone. A man who has spent 37 years in a marine uniform. Served almost 30 years in congress.

NewYorker we expect that out of TJ but you're relatively new around here and overall I've liked your posts and felt that you've contributed here. Be careful you don't become a joke like TJ.

 

Pot, meet mc josh.

 

NewYorker I forgot to mention basso too.

 

And be careful about putting words into people's mouths.

I am attacking the Democrat party as a whole for the lack of leadership - not calling them cowards. Although a lot of them are cowards - not for wanting to withdraw, but for running and hiding from the Republican agenda. They've been weak for the last few years - and I don't respect that. They have a role to play in politics that's more then verbal assualts on the party in power. They haven't stood for anything the past 5 years - and that's why they have a lower job approval then Bush.

 

Then start a different thread about it. I agree with some of your points, but to suggest that the democrats, and by extention, Murtha has no backbone and is a coward in regards to putting forth ideas about how to go forward on the war is disgusting.