House Democrat calls for immediate troop withdrawal

Hillary says withdrawal would be a mistake.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051121/ap_on_go_co/hillary_clinton_iraq

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Clinton: Immediate Iraq Exit a Mistake

By JIM FITZGERALD, Associated Press WriterMon Nov 21, 4:44 PM ET

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said Monday that an immediate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq would be "a big mistake."

The New York Democrat said she respects Rep. Jack Murtha, D-Pa., the Vietnam veteran and hawkish ex-Marine who last week called for an immediate troop pullout. But she added: "I think that would cause more problems for us in America."

"It will matter to us if Iraq totally collapses into civil war, if it becomes a failed state the way Afghanistan was, where terrorists are free to basically set up camp and launch attacks against us," she said.

At the same time, Clinton said the Bush administration's pledge to stay in Iraq "until the job is done" amounts to giving the Iraqis "an open-ended invitation not to take care of themselves."

Clinton, who is running for re-election to the Senate and is seen as a likely presidential candidate in 2008, suggested that the United States wait for Iraq's Dec. 15 elections for an indication about how soon the Iraqis can take over.

"Until they vote for a government, I don't know that we will have adequate information about how prepared they are," she said.

She blamed the problems facing the United States in Iraq on "poor decision-making by the administration," but added: "My view is we have to work together to fix these problems."

 

I guess retreat is the right direction? Handing the terrorists a victory on a silver platter? As you know, the only way that the terrorists can win is for us to simply give up. The only way for that to happen is for the terrorists and liberals to put enough downward pressure on the morale of the troops and their supporters until they quit. Well guess what, the US Military doesn't run from cowards like the mongrel dogs that we are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. Cowards cut and run. I am very happy that our country doesn't want to lay down their arms and let the terrorists claim victory.

Our country is going in the wrong direction? Well at least that direction is supported by the House by a margin of 403 to freaking 3.

 

Only because the GOP is so cowardly that they wouldn't debate or vote on Murtha's resolution.

 

It's clear that Murtha was PWNT

 

Or that the GOP are a bunch of cowards.

 

Wasn't Murtha one of the 403?

 

Yes, yes he was. That is because the GOP was too scared to debate and vote on his resolution.

 

No. Republicans posioned his admendment and then voted on it.

 

I can't believe people bring this up. When was the last time US troops were attacked by insurgents in Japan or Germany? When was the last time US troops conducted operations within Japan or Germany?

Heck if we're considering US troops in Japan and Germany as the continuation of the occupation of those countries since WWII then we might as well consider US federal troops based in states part of the Confederacy as a continuation of Reconstruction.

 

My problem with this line of thinking is that according to the US military the "terrorists" in Iraq represent 10% of the insurgents. Trying to find an exit strategy has nothing to do with cowardice but a realization that we don't wish to be in Iraq forever. We are already in the middle of a civil war. Iraqi's will continue to allow us to do their fighting for them if we let them. A transfer of power will take a long time. An exit strategy that is well thought out and viable could take 1 yr or more to fully implement. I think many of us just think it's time to start planning this.

 

It's not??
...and all this time I thought those bases were to keep Texas in it's place.






Keep D&D Civil.

 

Repub Jean Schmidt caught in a moronic lie...
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(Marine Corps Reserve colonel) Bubp, who told The Enquirer Monday he did not mention Murtha by name in his talk with Schmidt and would not call a fellow Marine a coward.


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“I did not know he was a Marine or I would not have said it,’’ ---Jean Schmidt


Schmidt didn't know Murtha was a Marine
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How low can they go...

 

She is without a doubt one of the worst. How shameful can folks go. It's too bad Hackett didn't beat her out.

 

Iraqi leaders meeting in a three day conference all said they would like the US the set a date for a US withdrawal. - CNN

If the people who will be running the country think it would be best for Iraq for us to set a date for a withdrawal then I say, OK.

 

If those are the people who are really running the country it will happen.

 

Condi Rice alread saying that the number US troops for Iraq "will clearly come down" and "I suspect american forces are not going to be needed in the numbers that they're there for all that much longer".

She is a COWARD! She is CUTTING AND RUNNING! or are you only a "coward" and are "cutting and running" if you say that when you are democrat.

Everyone, the winds are changing and just watch how Right-wingers will start singing a new tone and suddenly it will be OK to our Rush listeners out there to start bringing troops home because FOX said so.

 

Why does Condi Rice and General Casey hate America?

 

I believe the spin will be: We've always supported bringing troops home when certain conditions have been met. The fact that these conditions also coincide with the president's falling popularity in the polls is purely coincidental.

 

Why is Condi Rice against freedom, honor, and courage?

 

That the US troops in Germany and Japan are an extension of our occupation, as permanent bases in Iraq would be, there can be no doubt. If you're claiming otherwise then you're ignoring history. As far as being attacked, US troops were attacked as recent (if not more recently) as the 80s by terrorists in Germany. While that wasn't yesterday, it certainly disproves any claim that the 40's was the timeline for attacks.