Do people mostly have a problem with her getting punished for drinking beer? Or getting caned? If it's the former, I can tell you that not drinking alcohol is a pretty strict rule in muslim culture. Hey, you break the rules, you get punished. Just like you smoke weed in the US, you get punished. But if it's about the caning, I never really understood what's the big deal. Is it suppose to be barbaric or something? But then again, it's not like the end result is any different from throwing someone into jail. And in a way, the negatives that comes from prolonged jail time can be worse for a person than just a flogging. Btw, I forsee a move to D&D for this thread.
Malaysia is pretty relaxed about these types of things traditionally. You'll see muslims drinking there in the cities.
No way !!! I thought Muslims were not allowed to drink? Are you saying that not all of them are as strict as Mathloom? DD
I don't see what that has anything to do with it. It's like saying prostitution is everywhere in the US. Still doesn't take away from the fact that you go to jail if you get caught for soliciting sex. Just because it's accepted behavior from a society standpoint doesn't make it lawful.
Try Christians + Hindus + Muslims. See how many those add up to and how many of them don't care that you abuse your freedom by just yelling out "your God is not real, like Greek Gods". The difference is that people have a soul, a heart and a brain which leads them to certain places and are drawn by certain things. There is a reason why these people believe what they believe and there is a reason why you cannot disprove it just as much as they "can't prove" it. There is also a reason why these religions are growing rather than shrinking. Are we becoming dumber DaDa? As for me, this has nothing to do with me. I'm a recovered alcoholic (al7amdulillah). I was arrested and jailed for drinking and I wasn't even in my own country. Muslims, Christians and Jews should not get drunk. It's common sense. When you are drunk, you may cause harm to others. Does that mean they won't? Ofcourse not. I don't see how that adds anything to what you're saying other than "nana nana boo boo, there are Muslims that drink so you lose." Does that mean we should cane them? I don't think so. But I suppose it helps your argument to try to paint me as an extremist. Good luck with that. I'm sure you were super quick in trying to find out whether this ruling was sharia compliant. I can only imagine it was as quick as you taking a "The problem here is religion" stand. Humanity has a way of seeking the popular trend, it is the easiest way out, and it is usually the arrogant and self-serving who are the first bandwagoners...... What easier argument is there than "the only reason they believe what they do is that they are poor and uneducated. Thankfully, I'm not." Whatever fits right? Nice. I wish we could all be as enlightened as you are dude. FML for being born a Muslim. How could I ever get my hands on the same education and experience as you have? I spend all my time at the mosque praying for 72 virgins, where would I find the time? For the most part DaDa, I have no problem with democracy and each person having their own beliefs. I have gigantic problem with the careless abuse of freedom without reprucussions. You seem to need that, maybe it's personal to you, I dont know. Personally, I want freedom and I want to cherish it with the responsibility that comes with it. I want anyone who abuses freedom to be put on trial for their lack of appreciation for a basic human right. Such is my love for freedom. I don't have the need deep down to annoy people with it. I don't like to piss on my community like that. I don't like to treat people in a way that I don't like to be treated. I'm not overly concerned with petty things like "why can't I tell people they are monkeys for believing in something else." I'd rather co-exist peacefully. But your assertion that poverty and lack of education is the difference between your view and a mainstream religious views is hitting below the belt, especially to all those people who are poor and uneducated because of staunch capitalism, when in fact discovering Islam doesn't require any money. Once you are able to have a discussion about this without dragging every single stereotype into it and without trying to make it personal, let's talk. I will discuss with you as long as you like the role of democracy, secularism and freedom in Islam. If all you want to do is bash the occasional silly decisions of governments which claim to be fully Sharia compliant, then there's no point discussing as I'm in total agreement with you.
Woman's sentence delayed. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32534618/ns/world_news-asiapacific/?gt1=43001 Malaysia delays caning of beer-drinking woman Officials say punishment will be carried out after holy month of Ramadan KARAI, Malaysia - Malaysia abruptly granted a Ramadan reprieve to the first Muslim Malay woman to be sentenced to caning for drinking beer, but insisted Monday the thrashing would still take place after the Islamic holy month of fasting. Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno, a 32-year-old mother of two, had been en route to a women's prison for the caning when Islamic officials who took her into custody drove her back home and released her. Mohamad Sahfri Abdul Aziz, a state legislator in charge of religious affairs, later said the Attorney General's office advised that the caning should be delayed for compassionate reasons until after the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan, which began Saturday. "The sentence is not being canceled," Mohamad Sahfri told The Associated Press. Amnesty International condemned the sentence, and many critics had said the caning would harm Malaysia's reputation as a moderate Muslim-majority country. Kartika was arrested in a raid for drinking beer at a hotel lounge in December 2007 and accused of breaching Malaysia's Shariah law, which forbids Muslims from consuming alcohol. The law provides for a three-year prison term and caning for Muslims caught drinking, but most offenders are fined. Drinking is legal for non-Muslims. Kartika was sentenced to six strokes of a rattan cane by the Shariah court in July in what was considered a warning to other Muslims to abide by religious laws. ‘I want to respect the law’ In an interview with the AP last week, Kartika said she wanted to be caned because "I want to respect the law." Click for related content Malaysian model to be caned for drinking beer Kartika's sister, Ratna, said Kartika was "very stressed" because of the unexpected delay. Islamic authorities had insisted that the purpose of the caning is to educate rather than punish. They say the rattan cane supposed to be used on Kartika would be smaller and lighter than the one used for men and that she will remain clothed. Men convicted of crimes such as rape and bribery in Malaysia are caned on their bare buttocks, breaking the skin and leaving permanent scars.
