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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by DonnyMost, Apr 29, 2010.

  1. basso

    basso Member
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    that's what he said.
     
  2. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I wonder if any Republican will ever utter the phrase, "Drill Baby Drill" ever again.

    Probably the next election. On a more comical note...Sarah Palin is accusing Obama of being cozy with the oil industry.

    This woman is so fascinating...she's either insane or brilliant...and there is no evidence of the latter.
     
  3. Deckard

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    So I'm watching the live video feed and can't tell what I'm watching and what it all means. Two different colors of something are coming out of somewhere. What's up? (or down!)
     
  4. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    this is a great article about the political b.s. around the spill:

    http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...blame-obama-for-katrina-margaret-carlson.html


    That Damn Leak Can’t Blame Obama for Katrina: Margaret Carlson
    May 26, 2010, 9:16 PM EDT
    MORE FROM BUSINESSWEEK


    May 27 (Bloomberg) -- Big government? Bring it on, to borrow the words of our previous commander-in-chief.
    Those looking for bipartisan consensus in a fractured Capitol need look no further than officials of both parties pounding on the federal government’s doors to stop the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.
    Once “Drill, Baby, Drill!” begat “Spill, Baby, Spill,” Republicans pressed comparisons with Hurricane Katrina and berated President Barack Obama for not doing more. Yet all the king’s horses and men couldn’t put this blowout back together again. It was too late to order up the needed safeguards, the ones anti-regulatory conservatives say hamstring our wonderful free-enterprise system.
    An inspector general’s report out this week reveals what decades of deregulation had wrought before Obama took office. The Minerals Management Service at the U.S. Interior Department was staffed by employees more interested in currying favor with industry than regulating it. Parties, trips (one to the Peach Bowl), sex, drugs, and gifts were commonplace.
    In 2008, one employee was negotiating a job with a drilling company while inspecting its platforms. Seven compromised inspectors were still employed by the agency the time the report was completed in March, according to the New York Times. The acting inspector general at Interior, Mary L. Kendall, sent the findings to a U.S. attorney, who declined to prosecute.
    New Tack
    And what has the Obama administration done? Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, although suspected by environmental groups of being too sympathetic to the industry, put new ethics rules in place upon taking over in 2009. He reoriented the department away from the notion that regulating is for sissies. He even asked the inspector general to investigate whether the bad behavior has continued on his watch.
    On the other hand, two months into Obama’s presidency, BP Plc’s lease at the Deepwater Horizon rig was granted a “categorical exclusion” from an environmental impact analysis, and new licenses for drilling were issued. And the Environmental Protection Agency didn’t initially stop BP from using Corexit, a dispersant so toxic it could be a decade before anyone can confidently eat a piece of fish from the Gulf. It does little to slow the oil but does break it into droplets, which could airbrush the inevitable video when the slick washes ashore.
    Still, the idea of the oil spill as “Obama’s Katrina” breaks down under the slightest scrutiny.
    No one expected George W. Bush to block a hurricane, only to stop utter incompetence in its wake. Katrina was an act of God before it became an act of man. When government obviously wasn’t doing its job, Bush kept insisting it was.

    Atrophied Agency

    Under Bush, the Federal Emergency Management Agency wasn’t ready to respond. It had been left to atrophy under Michael “Brownie” Brown, fresh from his tenure at the International Arabian Horse Association, who presided over an unnecessary disaster after the natural one.
    Now we face an unnatural disaster, and government has neither the equipment nor the staff to fix a pipeline a mile down in the ocean. That left us at the mercy of previously under-regulated BP, whose executives pitched solutions that could have come from a list of made-for-TV movies.
    First there was “Giant Dome,” so big that it failed, and then the smaller one called “Top Hat.” Then came “Hot Tap,” destined to flop even if it hadn’t been an anagram of its predecessor. All that was before “Top Kill.” What’s next on that list -- Tom Cruise in “Top Gun”?

    Anger Time

    With the executives in charge looking ever more hapless, there developed something close to unanimity about what Obama should do: Get angry. A virtue can slip into vice if overdone, and Obama’s Gandhi routine in the face of the biggest disaster our country has faced since 9/11 could tick off the calmest of people.
    A new CBS News poll found that 70 percent of Americans disapprove of how BP has handled the spill, compared with 45 percent disapproval for Obama. Worse for the president is that only 35 percent approve of his words and deeds during the crisis.
    That’s why White House aides chose to leak -- how apropos -- that their boss had snapped, “Plug the damn hole.” Now can they get Obama to stop that bozo from BP from shifting the blame to the rig operator, Transocean Ltd., which shifted blame to the cement-casing maker, Halliburton Co., which shifted it to the battery in the blowout preventer? Really, Mr. President, don’t let them say it’s a Duracell problem.

    Poor Executives

    He’s still doing better than Republicans, who are hard at work protecting the poor, beleaguered oil executives at BP from having their liability cap lifted.
    By this time, Obama must surely wish he had cleaned house at Minerals Management rather than, or at least before, calling for a resumption of offshore drilling to show the other side how reasonable he is. He remains so captive to the thought that we can all get along that he can’t go after the enormous corporate breakdown he inherited, from banking to mining to oil.
    He should be less afraid of looking like Huey Long and more interested in governing like Franklin Roosevelt.=
     
  5. Carl Herrera

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  6. B-Bob

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    Deck, I think you accidentally left your copy of Beyond the Valley of the Dolls in the VCR again.

    (I actually found a great youtube of it, but it gets so NSFW I just couldn't post it. What an awesome movie.)
     
  7. Deckard

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    Yeah, the darn tape is just about worn out!
     
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    Probably not in those words, but as the world economy turns around and oil starts creeping back up to $100 a barrel, there will certainly be renewed calls to begin the deep water exploration again.
     
  9. Air Langhi

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    Why did they shut of the cam? How is the public supposed to know if it worked?
     
  10. justtxyank

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    Did anyone see James Carville yesterday (think it was yesterday morning) going crazy? LOL That guy has lost it. He was ranting that people were dying because Obama wasn't doing enough. :confused:
     
  11. basso

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    coast guard says it worked.
     
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    I wouldn't say that the top kill has completely worked, because they haven't actually cemented anything. Cautious optimism is spreading, however, as the drill mud has seemed to be able to push the oil back down into the well. Its a slow process. They can't jam as much pressure down as they really want because they don't want to damage the BOP, so its a slow push, very incremental.

    As for the camera, I'm still getting the feed, I think it just cuts in and out.

    I also have an update on the flow rate. The independent government report that will be released later will state that while its virutally impossible to estimate the amount of oil at 5000 feet, by combining satellite images, measurements at the site, flow rate, obstructions in tubes, etc the new government estimate will be 12,000 to 19,000 barrels a day of "product". This includes the volume of gas as well. So not 5000 barrels, but not 120,000 barrels either.
     
  13. Supermac34

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    Thad Allen is a little bit of an optimist, and indications are that it probably is working, but BP hasn't stated it yet because they don't want something to not work later. Its still a little too early to tell.
     
  14. Rip Van Rocket

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    I was really surprised the way Carville gave it to Obama.
     
  15. mc mark

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    He's a Hillary supporter. He's never really been in Obama's camp.
     
  16. pgabriel

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    Chris Matthews was ranting that Obama should commandeer all oil tankers to suck up the oil out the gulf. He had that guy on basso referred to earlier saying they did that in the persian gulf.
     
  17. basso

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    it's worth a try. the clean up and shutting down the well are two separate issues. all the effort i've seen so far has been put toward the latter.
     
  18. SamFisher

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    Ahahahaa, the submarine supertanker idea lives. Make sure to put some screen doors in your schematics.


    That's because you've been too busy dreaming up submarine supertankers to notice the hundreds of vessels and thousands of people deployed for that purpose.
     
  19. basso

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    what are those hundreds of vessels doing?
     
  20. Supermac34

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    There are actually about 1200 surface vessels working the spill at this point. They are doing everything from testing, skimming, laying new boom, repairing boom already put down, burning, tracking. Its actually a massive undertaking.
     
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