Honestly, pretend you're not a homer. Whose better Marbury or Francis?

Pgabriel, good points. Passing has a lot to do with talent, same as scoring, rebounding and defense. He's a good natural passer, better than Steve is.

 

did you read the title of the thread?

 

Francis runs maybe 40% of fastbreaks successfully. That's all you need to know about his PG skills. Anytime a fastbreak is a risk, then there is something wrong.

 

I will grant this Mr. Clutch, Marbury being in the top ten in that list is sort of an aberration. Looking at the other players, no one will consider Marbury as good as a leader as the other guys. I really don't know what to think about him.

 

I know the world is coming to an end, I find myself agreeing with Pgabrial more and more.....

Good points about Marbury P....

Marbury is a great passer, and at this point is a much better player then Steve.

To be fair, Marbury has been a PG all his life, and Steve has only been at it 4 years.

Steve is making progress, but athleticism dies out quicker then decision making...look at Stockton for proof.

If Francis does not get a better understanding about roles on a team, and how to set people up, he will be gone before Marbury, who already understands the concept of team play.

DD

 

This year, Marbury has been better then Francis but in past years Francis has been better then Marbury. Francis can catch up if he wants to. It's not so much about the physical as it is about the cognitive game.

 

As a player and athelete, Francis is probably a little better, but as a playmaker and understanding the running of a team, Marbury is. I'vewatched alot of games with Phoe on league pass, and I can't tell you how many times Amare has recieved the ball 8ft in front of the rim from Marbury. I can't tell you how many times hey ran the pick and roll and amare has gotten the ball rolling to the basket for an easy dunk or layup as opposed to Francis setting up Ming for the same.

 

Because Francis cannot run the pick and roll effectively! Imagine how dangerous Francis/Yao would be if they could run the pick and roll? This SHOULD be one of the STAPLE plays in our offense yet it is not. That is a problem. We could create so much havoc running this play but because Francis can't run the PNR well it is all for naught.

 

pgabriel
You can say that Starbury is not a winner anymore after he almost single-handedly willed his team into the playoffs. He indeed is without a doubt the main reason the suns are where they are now.

I don't really like him - but I really really respect his game. The Spurs are definitely in for a battle.

 

I tried to remove the "homer" label off my face, but I couldn't.

GO ROCKETS!!!!! Forget all of you... finga-pointin' ahsses...

 

Steve is the better individual talent, Marbury is the better ball player.

 

about the same,

Although I'd give the nod to Marbury this season for getting them in the playoffs,

but remember, Steve willed his team in wins over Phoenix 3 out of 4 times this season.

 

Marbury vs. Francis 1 on 1 in streetball? Of course...Francis I think could win. Or very very even and close.

But hmm...Marbury has been the better basketball player. But I think Marbury had better coaching...and supporting cast.

 

This is from NBA.com:

SPLIT G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG PPG

Francis Against PHO 4 4 38.3 .340 .308 .696 2.8 2.3 5.0 5.3 2.25 .50 13.0


Marbury Against HOU 4 4 41.0 .386 .235 .862 .8 2.0 2.8 7.5 2.00 .50 23.3

 

Yeah...see...Marbury has Shawn Marion and Amare Stoudemire and Anfernee Hardaway and Bo Outlaw.

That isn't one on one.



In a fight...I think Marbury would win...

 

What r u mumbling about?
Try to make some sense, will u?

R u saying the Suns has a better team?

R u saying Marbury is a better 1 on 1 player?
What is ur point?

BTW,
The stats I quote are personal stats for Francis and Marbury when the 2 teams played and they guarded each other. Sure, this is a team game (sigh, don't know if Francis realize it, but that is another story!), but maybe 80% of the time you score on the person who guards you and vice versa. Other players can not help 100% of the time.

 

Wait..so what's your point?

We won the series 3-1.

 

If you only count the ones where he passes, the percentage is pretty low. The ones where he keeps it, the percentage is better, but that only because it's basically his ability to go one on one or one on three, the way he usually runs the offense.

 

What's your point? We won the series 3-1 DESPITE Marbury outplayed Francis stats wise. Didn't it show our "supporting cast" is better than theirs?

 

This is so true. I am amazed to see that some people said that Francis will be the better POINT GUARD long-term. Based on what? His superior athleticism? That maybe make Francis a better SCORING GUARD in the future but not a POINT GUARD. Francis just LACKS court vision and passing/organizational skills and those things are natural born and cannot be learnt. You either have it or don't have it. Francis is NOT a selfish player. He just doesn't have it. I don't know why the decision of moving him to 2-guard is so difficult. Couldn't we understand from the past 4 years that the guy is NOT a natural PG and NEVER will? We should use his strengths and use him as a scoring guard and partner him with a passing guard with court vision and passing/organizational skills. Simple as that.