Really bro? So if you get cheated on, that's your fault? I don't like Hillary as I've been quite clear about in this thread but that is such ridiculous reasoning. What happens in someone's marriage is private and personal. They seem to have worked it out and moved on. I've always assumed that statement was a joke whenever somebody has bought it up.
Now we are resorting to victim blaming? I don't really care for Hillary but that's a low right there dude.
It absolutely can and cannot be sure. Not victim blaming, you're implying. I would have said exactly that if that was my point. I think my point is valid. She doesn't appeal to Bill, someone who knows her best. This thread is about appeal.
Obviously, she has been subjected to sexist attacks, such as comments on her looks or accusations she couldn't satisfy her man. But, that's not different from the racist attacks Obama endured in his candidacy and presidency. Bush was unfairly attacked as a Southern yokel. So, the color of irrational criticism may be sexism, but the essential exercise is the same. It's pointless to say, 'well, I can't do anything without my political enemies making an irrational character attack.' Of course. That's because they are political enemies. Just like bigtexxx can criticize Obama for both high gas prices and low gas prices. It doesn't matter what you do, they'll criticize you anyway. The more fruitful exercise will be to think about the people who aren't out to snipe at you regardless. You set a tone to your candidacy for those people who will still listen. Will she be giving Congress and The People blowjobs?
I think you're mistaking drunken bar room banter as sound political discussion. While her platform isn't complete, her promises are the most detailed and least vague among the final four. If she's such a master liar and deceiver, why keep it as a matter of record to be called upon when she doesn't even try to follow through on them? I think Hillary is out of touch with her constituents, and I can at least respect her for not pivoting too desperately to the progressive angle. She's totally not one and can't fake it. But when I hear BS about how she isn't qualified, when in fact she's has the most experience and most to nit pick from among remaining candidates, it make me wonder if my dislike for her is purely visceral as well.
Actually Bernie has been in government since before the median-aged American was 2 years old. The man is old. Strangely, Kasich has been in government longer than Bernie. Not saying she isn't qualified but it's hard to quantify most qualified. You can argue Kasich is the most qualified because he has experience in Congress AND leadership experience as governor.
In a few days, Bernie will be at the Vatican to discuss economic justice and environmental sustainability at the Vatican’s Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences Conference. At the exact same time, Hillary Clinton will hold a fundraiser in Hong Kong (major financial center) with Gary Gensler, a former Goldman Sachs partner who serves as her campaign’s Chief Financial Officer. You folks slogging away trying to pay your bills find that appealing?
I hope you're simply very young and naive (as the Bernie love would indicate anyway), because otherwise you're just very dense.
What concerns me is that possible voters would think that a guy being unfaithful to his wife, is somehow the wife's fault. That lies with the person doing the cheating not the person being cheated on. What seems important in all of that, is that she was loyal, and strong enough to work through it.
not young ( i wish) and certainly not naive. i'm just sick and tired of everyone living in their comfortable bubbles while millions suffer all around the world. hilary exemplifies that with her globe trotting million dollar fundraising and her million dollar speech circuit for the wealthy while at the same time proclaiming to fight for the every man. it's vile and disgusting. special place in hell for hypocrites like that.
Loyal to who, Bill? Please..., give me a break. It's a business relationship not a marriage. She was loyal to herself and her own ambitions. She knew then she had no chance at a very successful and lucrative future political career if she dumped his ass. Her life is fully contrived and planned out. Nothing is left to chance, nothing will stop her ego for achieving what it wants. Don't mistake her egotistical, maniacal, self centered, self seeking approach as loyalty and strength.
Oh really? What private knowledge do you have to their marriage? If that's how you see it, that's all it is. It's just how you see it. I'm not a Hillary supporter, but she had a strong political resume before she married Bill. I don't think gets erased because she was in his shadow, while he was the brightest star in the Universe for a time. I don't doubt that she considered her prospects when hitching her wagon to Bill's. That's normal for both parties in a marriage. But I'm not going to presume to know the inner workings and discussions of their marriage/non-divorce. You can act like you know, but you don't.
Hillary is seen as ok and better than the two GOP front runners. Some think that she might have a better chance of winning than Bernie. If you are pretty content with things the way they are she will probably keep them that way.
What is vile and disgusting are your posts. To paraphrase a great poet: I wish that for just one time you could stand inside my shoes And just for that one moment I could be you Yes, I wish that for just one time you could stand inside my shoes You'd know what a drag it is to read you
Some issues I feel need to be addressed: 1. Hillary can't be too loud or too sharp, she gets criticized either way and completely unfair and sexist. -Wrong. Hillary is just a bad actor when it comes to feigning enthusiasm. Anybody who has seen Elizabeth Warren in action sees the contrast in passion and authenticity. Elizabeth Warren gets worked up a ton, but never gets that criticism. I'm not saying that women don't have this double-standard against them, I'm just saying it's not affecting Hillary. Hillary is simply inauthentic and has politically expedient "passion", not authentic passion. 2. Hillary is qualified by virtue of her years of experience. -Having put in the years and time is important, but what you do during that time is also important. Unfortunately for Hillary, her biggest accomplishment as Secretary of State was the overthrow of Libya, which Obama has recently conceded was his biggest mistake. Throw in her vote for iraq and the fact that she also supported the overthrow of Assad, and you have a disastrous, hawkish, and interventionist record on foreign policy. She touts her experience but would rather us ignore the details. -As far as her time as senator is concerned, I'm not aware of any significant legislation that she introduced or co-sponsored that got passed. Correct me if I'm wrong. -If she were a med school applicant, she's the exact type of person that would be rejected at the interview phase. Just a laundry list of qualifications lacking any real substance. 3. Hillary's donations don't affect her in any way Wrong, she refuses to denounce fracking altogether, a major concern. She changed her views on a bankruptcy bill favored by the big banks when she became senator vs her time as first lady. She touts the Dodd-Frank regulation bill, a bill that is so ill-enforced and is likely just lip-service, and claims to be willing to dismantle an industry that has given her campaign $15 million. Not to mention the speaking fees. smh Finally, I want to ask of the Hillary supporters, can I get a list of accomplishments with POSITIVE results in her time as Senator and Secretary of State. She always brags about her damn experience, well I want some f***in results. By the way, the argument for Bernie Sanders is quite clear. Bernie Sanders has a CONSISTENT moral center that guides his principles and decision-making process. There is a reason he is the only candidate that has addressed the needs of the Palestinians. There is a reason he maintains his stance on gun manufacturers even though it would be much more politically expedient not to do so. People can argue about details and his knowledge of the specifics of his policies (claims that largely baseless anyways), but I got news for them, POLITICIANS DON'T OFTEN WRITE POLICY, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE POTUS. FDR was a great president because he was principled and had a vision. He didn't necessarily now every detail inside and out, he simply had goals that he set and wanted to reach. He approached each decision with principles and set the country on a path to success, taking on each challenge with a consistent approach and set of values. Bernie has a vision, has a consistent values, and Hillary doesn't. Don't believe me? Then tell me, why is Hillary Rodham Clinton running for POTUS? What is the main message of her campaign? What are the issues that drive her day in and day out? What really gets her heated? I've tried to answer these questions myself, and I still can't.
Also lets not forget where all of this "not qualified" ridiculousness came from. Clinton was asked point blank if Bernie Sanders is qualified to be president (which in itself is a ridiculous question given the fact that he has been in government for 35+ years and in Congress for 25+ years) and her answer was very shaky. Instead of saying yes or no, she questioned whether or not he is. He saw headlines saying "Clinton questions whether Sanders is qualified to be president" and he fired back at her by saying she is not due to who she is representing (the rich and the special interests she is raising millions of dollars from). And he brings up a fair point. She is a dirty and corrupt politician. She knew exactly what she was doing. I'm sure her people planted that question.
Amen. I mean, the 18th century called and wants ipaman's posts about marriage back. Geebus. I care nothing about some person's relationships in terms of them taking an executive office. Just as long as they don't have sex with dead bodies or something, we're good. Just have the skills and knowledge to be POTUS. "Keeping your husband satisfied." I am still ROFLing at this antiquated, incredibly sexist notion.
you're losing site of the context of this thread which is her appeal. i'm not blasting hilary from a sexist angle. Her APPEAL or lack thereof.
