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Homeland Security Official Arrested

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by oomp, Apr 4, 2006.

  1. Sishir Chang

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    I was thinking the same thing myself. I find it somewhat troubling that the government essentially has to go out and create crimes by entrapping people in this manner.

    I understand the need to clamp down on child p*rnography but I would hope there's a better way than going around tempting people into committing a crime when there's no guarentee they may have committed a crilme until they were lured into it.
     
  2. rimrocker

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    "I think that the mother killing the two children in South Carolina vividly reminds every American how sick the society is getting and how much we need to change things. . . . The only way to change is to vote Republican."

    --Newt Gingrich
     
  3. insane man

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    also how is it a crime if it wasn't a 14 year old but an officer?
     
  4. wnes

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    Very true.

    OTOH I remember vaguely that I read some article a while back that "entrapment" into committing a crime is not a legally convictable offense in court. There's also grey area such that entrapment would be difficult to prove, IMO.

    Any legal experts out there can shed some light on this?
     
  5. zoids

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    Let me guess.... it's their family/moral value they constantly talk about. :rolleyes:
     
  6. wnes

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    Why not?

    When the constant moral restriction is in conflict with Freudian instinct or primal urge, hypocrites tend to succumb to the latter.
     
  7. RocketMan Tex

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    As do Catholic priests....
     
  8. giddyup

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    It could be the similiar kind of phenomenon that goes on with so many sexual predators being teachers, scout leaders, or youth leaders.

    It sort of puts them beyond suspicion in the trusting eyes of the citizenry.

    While being a Republican gives you no more access to young people than being a Democrat does, it does, CORRECTLY OR INCORRECTLY, provide you with an "aura" of propriety that the Birkenstock-wearing, dope-smoking Democrats do not provide...

    :D :eek: :cool:
     
  9. Sishir Chang

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    That is a good question. I believe that the intention to commit statuatory rape even if the person ultimately wasn't a minor counts as a crime such as in a drug sting while you might never get the drugs the fact that you exchanged money for them is a crime.
     
  10. wnes

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    Well giddy I am not a Dem but I'll try to answer this from a Dem's perspective: there's nothing really in the Democratic Party's platform that's fundamentally antagonistic to hippieness. Your parallel therefore doesn't extend.
     
  11. giddyup

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    I was joking. See the variety of smilies? :confused:
     
  12. wnes

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    I didn't expect there would be virtually zero resistance to my assault on the Republican Party. At least you made an attempt, giddy. :D
     
  13. user

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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/03/AR2005120301270_pf.html
     
  14. FranchiseBlade

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    It isn't because someone did so, it is because they speak out loudly and try and legislate morality. So when someone from the party of family values acts contrary to the message it is of minor significance what his party affiliation is.
     
  15. FranchiseBlade

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    It is only of minor significance IF this guy is from the GOP. The sin is entirely personal, and it doesn't matter what party he is from, it is bad. But it is a detraction from the GOP message of legislating or bluffing to legislate morality and so called family values. If they wouldn't chose legislating that kind of thing as part of their routine message then party affiliation wouldn't matter. But because they like to bring those issues to the front, then it seems fair look in their glass house.
     
  16. giddyup

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    You almost can't keep someone out of a party; it's totally a matter of self-nomination. You only hold the party accountable because you want the smear to stick. I understand. The party didn't hold this guy out as being anything more than a bureaucrat in Homeland Security-- and they barely did that.
     
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    Snakes on a Plane 853: Snakes on a Internet Chat Game

    Brian J. Doyle, played by Samuel L. Jackson, works diligently as a Homeland Security official. Sick with the bird flu, Doyle has been on sick leave with nothing to do at home other than online conversation with “minors”. Undercover child sex scandal investigator, Molly Ringwald, engaged in long chats with Doyle in which at one point Doyle asks Ringwald whether he wants to see his “snake”. Impressed with her crime-stopping abilities, she responds in a child like voice… “yes, sir.” After a sinister laugh, Doyle says “well… if you really want to see a snake then turn on the tv to channel 2. Puzzled at his comment, Ringwald turns on the tv and sees the caption at the bottom of the screen “CRATE OF SNAKES RELEASED ON PLANE”.

    Horrified, Ringwald realizes that the man who she thought was Doyle was actually a terrorist that was playing along with her investigation while infiltrating America’s borders with snakes on a got damn plane.
     
  18. krosfyah

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    Again, it is ONLY relevant because the Republicans tout themselves as the party of "morality." If this was an isolated story then who cares but...

    If the democrats represented themselves as the police freindly party, then I'm sure you'd be all over the recent story about the congresswoman in DC. Oh wait, you were all over that. :)
     
  19. JuanValdez

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    Why are people so hung up on hypocrisy? Half the threads in the D&D could be distilled to so-and-so is a hypocrite. Okay, so what?

    Btw, I don't see how it applies here. Show me a quote from Doyle denouncing sexual predators, and I'll concede he's a hypocrite. Show me a quote from a Republican saying what Doyle did wasn't so bad, and I'll call that person a hypocrite too. But, what does it matter anyway? I wonder if there is person I've ever met that wasn't caught in an hypocrisy at some point or other. Big deal.
     
  20. krosfyah

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    It supports the claim about the "Culture of Corruption."

    Kiddy p*rn is a bid deal. Even in prison, people who prey on children are considered the scum of the earth. So when yet another member affiliated with the "morality party" gets busted for kiddy p*rn, it is sadly amusing for us lefties ...like watching a car wreck. Horrible but you can't stop looking.

    [soap box]
    Whatever Repubs do, they seem to amp up EVERYTHING to the nth degree which is what got them elected cause their stances on issues seem so strong.

    Interestingly, they amp up their bad stuff too. Rhetoric, deficits, wars and yes, scandals. Dems get busted too for morality issues ...but no red blodded man blaims Clinton for getting head in the whitehouse from a consenting adult. (Lying about it ...well). But stalking children takes the sex scandal thing to another level.
    [/soap box]
     

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