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Home Depot Employee Fired for Wearing "God.." Button

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, Oct 28, 2009.

  1. thegary

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    what if he wore a pin that said: satan is awesome?
     
  2. rhester

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    you just gave me a good idea :)
     
  3. Rocketman95

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    it helps keep me employed! :)
     
  4. BetterThanI

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    You're at least partially right: religious freedom does involve the freedom to express relgious beliefs, to a certain extent. But, as with all freedoms, there are limits. "Not bothering anyone" is pretty vague. Actually, I believe the general limit to freedom is when it starts to infringe upon the freedom of others. He is free to have a religion, and express his beliefs. But his freedom ends where Home Depot's freedom to set and esablish legal business practices, including dress codes, begins.

    As for those who say it "didn't bother anyone"...how do we know? How do we know he wasn't bothering anyone? How do we know they weren't getting complaints from other employees or customers for the entire year he was wearing the pin, and they just finally had enough and did something about it? Simple answer: we don't. Your religious freedom does not entitle you to do whatever you want in the name of your religion. And there is not an organized Church in the world where wearing a God button is a central tenet.

    Honestly, if I went to work with a pin on my shirt that said "George W. Bush is Satan", how long do you think it would take before every right-winger in town was asking for me to be fired, sued, and/or lynched? Satanism is a religion, no? Wearing a sign/button IS foisting your opinion on others. It may not be done verbally, but it's done just the same.
     
  5. thegary

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    you gonna switch teams? :)
     
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  7. Shovel Face

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    None of the above.

    The guy probably doesn't even know they meaning of the word foist. I don't think he chose to foist anything. If you don't think religion is ingrained into a culture or/and a person then you are shortsighted. Much of your perception of reality is learned, and religion is as deep-rooted as other customs. This is why many spiritual leaders warn against conversion, even to the religion they are a part of. You are born into all of it.

    I already stated that I supported Home Depot's actions. I just can see the blatant hypocrisy in the reaction of liberals.
     
  8. thegary

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  9. BetterThanI

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    Not an option:

    Do you choose to be born Hispanic? YES or NO

    Do you choose to follow a religion? YES or NO
     
  10. BucMan55

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    The GW Bush is Satan could also be seen as inciting something, whereas text from the pledge not as much so. Would "Land of the Free" from the national anthem be any less patriotic??

    As long as both pins were asked to be removed on the grounds that they werent complaint, then you have no complaints. Like was mentioned earlier, they have to prove that its a uniform violation and its being cleaned up across the board. If he was singled out for his "One nation under God, indivisible" pin then it was a violation of his right to free speech. But if the "Team Logo Pin", "Happy Bunny pin", and other non compliant pins were also asked to be removed then he has nothing.

    And just as you said we dont know if he was browbeating others, we also dont know that he wasn't, and therefore either stance is speculation. I think the fact that its a phrase from the pledge of allegiance makes it political or patriotic first and 2nd(intertwine those two as you will), and third of all religious since it mentions God.


    Edit: and keep trying to get an answer to your question. Don't think it'll work, but good luck to ya.
     
  11. Shovel Face

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    You want this to be black and white but it inst. I guess the complexity is too much for you to handle.

    Religion can be a set of learned behaviors (tradition) and way of life (culture). It is not just a choice.
     
  12. BucMan55

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    I think it can be a choice, you just have to form your own opinion. Though that usually does not happen until later in life. Its also something many people grow up with.
     
  13. thegary

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    ^not something shovel face is familiar with, give him a break.
     
  14. rhester

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    do you play guitar?
     
  15. thegary

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    only cowbell
     
  16. B-Bob

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    Can you play the opening part of "Hair of the Dog" by Nazareth?
     
  17. thegary

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    while gargling beer my friend.
     
  18. rhester

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    cool, so it's Incense and Peppermint or this


    Mississippi Queen, If you know what I mean
    Mississippi Queen, She taught me everything
    Way down around Vicksburg, Around Louisiana way
    Lived a cajun lady, Aboard the Mississippi Queen
    You know she was a dancer
    She moved better on wine

    :)
     
  19. BetterThanI

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    As is, apparently, the complexity of the apostrophe for you. "isnt"? Your attempt at condescension fails due to your illiteracy.

    Noah Webster disagrees with you: religion is a choice. You CHOOSE to adhere to learned behaviors and you CHOOSE to adhere to a way of life.

    So once again:

    Do you choose to be born Hispanic? YES or NO

    Do you choose to follow a religion? YES or NO
     
  20. MadMax

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    trying desperately to do so....if you're read Paul, you'll know what I'm talking about..."i keep trying, though i fall desperately short."

    i do not believe Christianity is mere mental assent and then surrender. if that's it, Jesus wasted an assload of his time talking about how to live, act and treat other human beings...the bulk of what he talked about. you have to mentally assent to begin to follow....but i'm in no way a fan of modern theology of "say the magic words" and it's all good. Jesus was looking for disciples...he asked them to very carefully measure the cost of what it meant to surrender themselves and follow him.
     

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