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[holy moly] Heath Ledger found dead

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by SWTsig, Jan 22, 2008.

  1. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    I wonder if he took one and then "woke up" and took more without realizing it. My significant other had back pain (we're both unlucky that way) so bad for awhile that she took them. I remember one night we had a bit of fun in the sack (well, a lot of fun in the sack) and she didn't remember one bit of it the next day. Nothing. Nada. Trust me, she should have. It is a strange drug. The stories you may have heard about people "sleep walking" on it, driving and stuff like that, with no memory of it the next day, are true.

    Most aren't affected that way, but some are. Perhaps Ledger had a weird reaction.
     
  2. lalala902102001

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    28 is way too young to die.

    R.I.P.
     
  3. SWTsig

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    ssuuuuuurrrrrreeeeee buddy...... :p

    i've had friends tell me weird stories with that too, but benzos like xanax will do the exact same thing. i haven't touched a xanax since high school (okay, probably college) but those things mixed with a good amount of alcohol will cause you too black out for the entire night..... you'd wakeup the next afternoon having absolutely no recollection of the previous evening's activities :eek:

    prescription drugs can wreck lives just as quickly and easily as more illicit ones.
     
  4. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    Nope, Xanax doesn't do the same thing. I'm not saying it won't affect some people to the point that they don't remember what happened the next day, especially if taken with booze, but I'm familiar with both, have read a lot about them, and they aren't in the same ballpark.

    (that was a true story, SWT! I've known my lady over 30 years and have tumbled with her literally thousands of times without this happening. Ambien is weird stuff)
     
  5. dockerland

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    The story gets even worse, The cops did not have time to advise the family here in Perth and they found out their son was dead at 6.45am in the morning on the radio :eek: :(
     
  6. Dairy Ashford

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    Dick Harmon, Anna Nicole Smith (altough the drugs killed her) a co-worker of mine in her mid-30's (although she got it treated and recovered pretty quickly).
     
  7. SWTsig

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    just razzing ya, you stallion you.....

    regarding xanax, though... maybe it didn't effect you that way, but those things were really, really popular with a lot of kids my age (especially in my high school) and blacking out was a foregone conclusion for most of us. i've forgotten more nights completely eating those things than i could ever remember. now granted, we would eat them pretty liberally and drink like fish so that definitely plays a role.

    i will say this, i've seen friends royally ***** up their lives (and become entirely different people physologically) by abusing the hell out of benzos like xanax, valium, klonopins, etc.
     
  8. HAYJON02

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    The only part about all of this speculation I believe is that he was depressed. I believe that because a couple years back when I was in a bad place I definitely hit up the sleepy pills much more than I reasonably should have.

    Also, a little too much emphasis has been placed on his acting methods as causal factors. Sure, I'm a big fan of method acting and I suppose if he did his job as the Joker, it should be tougher just to "turn it off". In any case, I'm sure he had training and wouldn't have to rely on just going nuts for a role. At the end of the day, it is just pretending. And that's coming from a thespian who relies on method more than he probably should.

    It's a very moving story but I hate the media people and "specialists" covering it laughing at their own stupid jokes and throwing out unsubstantiated reports and heresay. It seems more about what they want the story to be than what it actually is.

    I'll admit that I thought he was a tool from his early films, but he really proved me wrong in the end. I'm sad I won't get to see the extent of the man's range. Long term sensory burglary is what I'll call it.
     
  9. Ottomaton

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    It does do the same thing and Ambien works very much like a benzodiazepine, such that drug addiction experts treat it as one. Benzodiazepine blackouts are common. That is what 'slipping someone a roofie' is all about.

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    Zolpidem is a prescription medication used for the short-term treatment of insomnia, as well as some brain disorders. It is a short-acting nonbenzodiazepine hypnotic that potentiates gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA), an inhibitory neurotransmitter, by binding to benzodiazepine receptors which are located on the gamma-aminobutyric acid receptors. It works quickly (usually within 15 minutes) and has a short half-life (2–3 hours). Some trade names of zolpidem are Ambien, Stilnox, Stilnoct, Hypnogen, Zolt, Zolfresh, Nimadorm, Sanval, and Myslee. Its hypnotic effects are similar to those of the benzodiazepine class of drugs, but it is molecularly distinct from the classical benzodiazepine molecule and is actually classified as an imidazopyridine. Flumazenil, a benzodiazepine receptor antagonist, which is used for benzodiazepine overdose, can also reverse zolpidem's sedative/hypnotic effects.

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    Same here..... I was looking back at old pictures from freshman year in the dorms and realized some of my best friends at the time are no more because of their addictions to pills among other things.
     
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    By that determination, all benzo's are 'the same'.

    I've taken lots of ambien, xanax, and valium and they are all three VERY different experientially. Zolpidem made me blackout. I would fall asleep like a rock, wake up and try to do crazy things like drive to Burger King, and then not remember a single thing. Not the case with xanax. In fact, xanax tends to make me more social and dis-inhibited like alcohol rather than roofied and incapacitated. Of course this is simply my personal interpretive rationale and drugs will affect everyone different according to their mental and physical composition.

    According to my shrink, Ambien is a good solution for insomnia because it is less addictive than xanax and longer lasting. Xanax is the fastest acting benzo. He also said that he could prescribe me a higher dose because ambien had less of a risk of overdose.

    Makes me think, if the pills caused his death, he took a **** ton of them and had to have been drinking. I have no idea how pneumonia plays into it all though.
     
  12. TMac640

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    A few comments.

    If it wasn't sleeping pills (although how in the hell can 2 tiny 25 mg pills kill you?), then what a truly inconsiderate individual Ledger is. How are you going to go off and do drugs when your careers on the rise, you've got a little girl to raise and a very attractive wife that cares about you? How irresponsible and asinine is that? What's your wife going to tell your daughter in a few years when she wonders where her dad is?

    "Oh, daddy thought it was best to snort cocaine or overdose on different pills instead of raising you and enjoying a great family."


    Now, if it was sleeping pills, then I truly retract the comments for the above drug scenario (non-sleeping pills for drugs). I still don't know if I believe that though. How many of you have even had symptoms that even remotely made you thought you were dying after sleeping pills?

    As others have said, if it was sleeping pills, he had to have been mixing them with a pretty substantial amount of alcohol for them to cause the reaction that they might have.

    I've taken plenty of sleeping pills (OTC) over the years and of course I'm still here. It's just, I guess it's hard to fathom anyone dieing from sleeping pills.

    Either way, 28 is far too soon to go for anyone.

    RIP +
     
  13. Achilleus

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    Wait until the facts come out before you make your ignorant, self-righteous comments...
     
  14. moestavern19

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    uh... this is the internet.
     
  15. Achilleus

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    Did you know that Amazon owns the site www.theinternet.com ?
     
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    Some sleeping pills actually have significant amounts of Tylenol. Tylenol can absolutely be lethal if too much of it is ingested.
     
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    omg rip heath ledger a co-worker of mine told me earlier but i refused to believe i thought maybe it was a hoax that gets passes around through texts....i guess not :(
     
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    We live in such a cruel cruel hopelessly world, where life just vacuums all the longevity and happiness out of existence.... R.I.P Heth....
     
  19. Deckard

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    One is a sleeping pill that has been proven to affect some individuals in highly unusual ways. The other is used to relieve anxiety and sometimes depression, not as a sleeping pill. So they are not the same thing. Sure, if you take enough Xanax, you will nod out and may even forget what you were doing after taking them, but to say they are the same simply isn't true.
     
  20. Deckard

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    Amen.
     

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