Yes, What I want is more understanding of how to play the hands, the pure skill part. Are there cheap buy in sites for real money?
you can't say one group is superior and also say that they're very different games. They're different in that one relies on mathematics alone (with the luck of the cards), while one relies on that along with tells/reading people. So the good online players aren't "better". They're better at online play. Of course, you could say that live players who also use all the mathematical skills of the online players are "better" than online players, only in that they would do well at both online AND live play.
You can play cheap games at all the sites. But if you play the really cheap games (like .01/.02 or whatever), you're going to get the same stupidity that you get at fake money games. However, if you sit at a tournament with a $2 buy-in, people tend to take those more seriously even though it's only $2..
I just started playing poker (real money) a little over a month ago. The good thing about online (fake money) poker is it gives beginners a chance to learn the basic rules of the game, betting, blinds, etc. Besides that, there is not much point to it unless you just want to play for fun. I played this weekend and the game lasted from 9:00 PM to 4:30 AM. WHEW!
are you talking about a $2 buy-in or a $2 blind? A $2 buyin would seem not even enough to pay the promoters.
it's $2 plus $0.25 for the rake. So the entire $2 goes towards the pot. What you get paid depends on how many people.. 9 man tourney is a smaller payout than 36 man, 90 man, or 180 man. It's cool because people take it seriously and play for real, and yet it's not much money. Cheap entertainment (that actually nets positive, though not much). If you can start winning pretty consistently at that, then you can move up. If not, stay down there, play for fun, don't lose too much
sure I can.....I've debated this many times....so excuse me if I don't have the interest or energy to rekindle this argument....... here is at least one recent debate that agrees with me....... http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...-live-players-versus-online-pros-tldr-461550/ and I don't feel like looking.......but, Flopturnriver.com seems to have this debate quite often as well, you should be able to find it quite easily. online player > brick and mortar player. anyday.
those kind of sites are blocked at work for me. any chance you can give me the basics of the argument? Without it, it seems like you're comparing 2 compeltely different things and saying group A is good at activity X, grp B is good at activity Y... but somehow grp A is better than grp B at "some generalization of X and Y" (that I can't even figure out)
I also think videogame basketball players > NBA players. Every time. I can site numerous videogame journal articles supporting my viewpoint.
online fake money is a gigantic waste of time. unless you are playing at PKR(3D poker) now that is quite fun. playing online fake poker will set your game back more than it will help. Honestly, I would quit playing fake money as soon as I could. if you are a total noob, join flopturnriver.com and read the beginners forum and read it again and again and again. Watch all of BJsAUST videos. don't be afraid to ask questions either. Join 2+2 ask more questions. AVOID any live play whatsoever. you will get eaten alive. I would spend a few days just learning basics. table position, hand strength, terminology. outs. odds. pot odds. implied odds, reverse implied odds. fold equity, showdown equity, +EV -EV independent chip models, if you want to play tourneys........seriously, don't even think about playing, let alone grinding at this point. just absorb. read everything you can find by Sklansky. Don't read a dam thing by Helmuth. after that, if you really think you are ready....try a small table. don't worry about the amount of money you are winning or losing. If you are playing with profit being your main focus.....you will lose. You need to be results oriented. If you play with +EV being your goal......and having positive results, the profit will take care of itself. Import your Hand History, run it through a trimmer and post it on FTR or 2+2, those guys love reviewing and giving advice......take the advice and run! it's free help! if someone criticizes your play......accept it. Thats what they are there for....you WILL become a better poker player if you put in the effort. Enjoy!
thats a terrible analogy. video basketball game does not equal NBA. Not even close. And you won't find a single article supporting that viewpoint either.
Texas Hold'em is played the same way, regardless if it's online or live....given a few variations at SOME brick and mortar venues(i.e. 2 rivers...insurance, chopnow etc....) so I don't understand why you are saying it's 2 different animals. some elements to the game may vary a players strategy but it's still the same GAME. Online players are vastly superior to live players because of their approach, experience and demenor. Live players tend to rely on superficial tactics(tells, instinct) rather than the cemented theories and aggressive nature of online players. Online players are winning the vast majority of live tourneys everywhere, while live players are completely irrelevant in the online world, sans marketing of course.
Ironometer needs a tuneup. Have not read all the articles, but seriously do think it's an apples and oranges thing. Love, love, love live poker. You are correct about the different emphasis of skill sets, but reading people and predicting their plays is not necessarily inferior to quick mathematical handiwork. Just IMO.
I played both online and live games before. My impression is making money by playing online is a lot harder than playing live. I said multiple times that I got wiped out a lot by playing online. The card dealing system always seems suspicious to me. There are a lot more bad beats than I experience playing live. People say it is because we play a lot more hands online. I doubt it because I don't play multiple tables at the same time so I actually don't play that many hands. But bad beats just happen way to often. Also, I find myself a lot looser playing online, which, of course, is not good and may contribute to my losing. I will suggest ppl just go to Casino playing cards. It may be a little bit inconvenent but to me it is a lot more fun. You play ppl face to face, make jokes and laugh at each other. Generally, you will have a good time. And there are a lot of fish playing also so you will make money if you are good.
this is very true. and it's my biggest peeve of playing online.....not being able to see the dealer "shuffle" I think you are confusing "bad-beat" with suckouts. Suckouts are alot more common place in lower stakes tables where 4-5 handed flops are the norm. Bad beats are rare regardless of the stakes, but again, "bad-beat" is a commonly misused term.
Play full tilt. Put in $50 with your credit card. Go into those .01/.02 micro blind tables and see how even one cent makes a big difference on how people play with real money, compared to fake.
